hey skythe, i totally trust you on this one. i gave you kudos in the other thread for reporting the error and not taking advantage, something the others, who abused the bug, did not do.
you know whats interesting is your country is still alive despite it being legitimately killed via GS
newsfeeds indicate exactly 1 missile were sent at you during the last kill run on you
so isn't it cheating to ask for reinstatement of your country when your country was not affected? o wait, i forgot it's ok if it benefeits llaar or NA (my bad)...
I am talking about FFA, and from what Pang said about your posts he blurred out, they were pretty incriminating in that you might have got involved there.
"what i did was a postponing an answer to something i didnt want to answer... when i'm purposely vague i have no intentions bro"
i already answered you buddy :)
my vagueness was enough to keep the people in LaE at bay without expecting anything, and at the same time is enough to make me look incriminating.
sucks for me the way it looks... but i didn't cheat and wasn't going to
the mods found out hours after i did anyway. its easy to look back and say anything, you wouldn't believe it either way. the facts are that i didn't cheat, that i didn't intend to. and what was i going to do with the new knowledge? i didn't even have time to figure that out. it really was a few days of woah... woah... woah.. for me for all the new stuff coming out and the crazy FFAT posting. so i just stayed off the boards since i didnt really have a hand in doing anything. when people start going after NA and stuff, now that becomes personal. and then i started posting. i'm quite an active poster now aren't i? hehe
what i did was a postponing an answer to something i didnt want to answer... when i'm purposely vague i have no intentions bro. when i have an opinion, i state it pretty clearly. i'm pretty sure you can tell that from how i write. especially on these boards. i tend to be a very direct person, and if i'm not, theres a reason. i never even asked them how they did what they did, cause i didn't want to know. if i was all excited to go cheat, wouldn't that have been the first thing i'd want to know?
i offered you full admin access to NA's site already too TAN. i honestly have nothing to hide. i am playing, and have played legit here.
now that you had 3 members deleted for abusing the rules of the game, compared to our 1 member, that means you had 3X more cheating members than we did.
so, want to call off the war now, since you really can't claim the higher ground anymore?
and slagpit is 100% correct, reporting is good, exploiting is bad
and our countries are still missing their SDI, so compensation wasn't perfect which is why things shouldn't be abused, and the abusers should be deleted, to discourage abusing in the future
and this issue has nothing to do with my country, no where have i even said my country was involved
I was asleep when all this happened. Although I'm disappointed to see bug abuse happening; however, bugs can't be fully confirmed without sufficient data. As such, I'm not surprised several people were able to send massive amounts of missiles.
llaar before you start pointing fingers at an entire alliance did the following thoughts ever cross your mind when you assessed the situation?
1. Perhaps, the bug abusers merely saw something strange in the newsfeed and wanted to investigate. Upon personal investigation of the matter, they promptly reported it to the admins.
2. Simple math tells me that a handful of people does not equate an entire alliance.
Seriously, reading your posts is like reading propaganda. Everything has to have its own spin. Somehow everything is either llaar-centric or NA-centric.
Let's be objective about this and give the benefeit of the doubt to those individuals. The admins have already taken action on the issue. It's time to drop the issue and carry on with life.
I CLEARLY fluffING STATED:
Originally posted by llaar:
i do NOT fault the leadership of the opposing clans. you guys are great leaders.
should the members involved take accountability for their actions?
the 2 billion expense bug gave a country unlimited turns to use on unlimited missiles. this was exploited summer of '05 ffa, and a ton of top100 countries were completely killed. the 2 bill country was deleted
i created a 2 billion expense country in december of '05 in ffa for netting purposes.
i was deleted.
i then sent this email to swirve:
"Concerning the earth 2025 game
From: ()
Sent: Sat 12/10/05 2:29 PM
To:
Dear Mr. Patel,
I am a patron supporter of the game and would like to know why one of my countries in the free for all server was deleted. llaar (#95) was deleted. I see no reason for this to have happened and have worked really hard for over 2 months on that country. I have also been playing the game for 4 years and have never had this happen before.
I am also aware that there has been countries in past sets surpassing 1 billion NW and exposing a -2 billion income bug. I remember that these countries were either deleted by the admin or were self deleted. I have no intentions of using this bug to harm other countries. If my country were to attack another country in this improper manner, then I would understand why it should have been deleted. However, I do not feel that just the potential for exposing a bug is justifiable reason to delete a country. All countries have the potential to expose bugs, but it is up to the player themself as to whether or not they will do this. I would really like to know why my country has been deleted. Thank you very much for your time and your consideration,
-llaar"
i was reinstated. and i never abused the bug.
last year i also achieved a 2 billion expense country in Earth Council with the record breaking 872 million NW country, Blackberry.
Again, I did not abuse the bug.
Abusing a bug like that to kill off clans, is really really wrong.
I do hope that judgement comes to those that abused the bug for their own gain and for the hurt of others.
Skythes Country (#597) (PDM50) - made 149 attacks last 24 hours
#597 is the only one of the bug abusers that did not go on a killing spree with the other players. he also seems to be the first player to have experienced the bug, who must have told the others, who then went on a bug abusing killing spree
here's the quote from our PF when he noticed the bug:
"I stopped attacking, as didn't want to 'exploit' this bug or whatever is going on.. but technically I could of probably killed him too...."
it's not like he went to IRC and started advertising the bug.
zodiac is an asshat who should have known better.
I 100% believe you. I had already guessed as much and thats why I said "since after seeing the bug, skythe seems to have not tried it further. which is the proper course of action"
I applaud skythe for that.
the others however... did abuse intentionally a bug in the game, for their own gain, and tried to kill a whole clan, until they were stopped.
the major abusers were:
Zodiac (#534) and My President Is Halfrican (#282) and land of oz (#400) and It hurts when I pee QQ (#396)
they each sent 100-400 chems, in coordinated kill runs on 7 countries in a row
Zodiac (#534) (PDM50) - made 629 attacks last 24 hours, about 400 of them chems, attacking 7 different countries in kill runs
My President Is Halfrican (#282) (TSA) - made 178 attacks in last 24 hours, about 150 of them chems, hitting 7 different countries in kill runs
It hurts when I pee QQ (#396) (TSA) - made 651 attacks in last 24 hours, about 400 of them chems, hitting 7 different countries in kill runs
land of oz (#400) (TSA) - made 123 hits last 24 hours, about 110 of them chems, hitting 7 different countries in kill runs
then we have:
MooMmmOoo (#633) (TSA) - joined in on using chems against 2 of the targets that #282/#396/#534/#424 so must have exploited the chem bug along with them
YoUr SOL iZ MiNe (#424) (TSA) - joined in on using chems against 1 of the targets that #282/#396/#534/#633 so must have exploited the chem bug along with them
they each jumped in on a couple of those kill runs that Zodiac (#534) and My President Is Halfrican (#282) and land of oz (#400) and It hurts when I pee QQ (#396) oganized
Skythes Country (#597) (PDM50) - made 149 attacks last 24 hours
#597 is the only one of the bug abusers that did not go on a killing spree with the other players. he also seems to be the first player to have experienced the bug, who must have told the others, who then went on a bug abusing killing spree
this was definitely a coordinated bug abuse session perpetrated by those who did the coordinated killing together
which in my opinion include:
Zodiac (#534) and My President Is Halfrican (#282) and land of oz (#400) and It hurts when I pee QQ (#396) and MooMmmOoo (#633) (TSA) and YoUr SOL iZ MiNe (#424) (TSA)
since after seeing the bug, skythe seems to have not tried it further. which is the proper course of action
not commencing a tag kill of another clan via bug exploit
"snawdog
Member Tue Dec 15 10:28:44
I personally will call abuse of a bug cheating...there, I said it out loud.....
snawdog
Member Tue Dec 15 11:48:10
After seeing this from NA set after set in the old game, I have come to realize that the leadership there just can't help but be cheats, it must be in their very core.............. "
hows it feel now that your clan was involved in bug abuse?
no it wasn't TAN...
neither was it our leadership back then
it was ONE member
just like this set, the deletions were ONE member, not leadership
but...
this bug abuse seems to have been clanwide on pdm/sol's part
i 100% believe PraetorNLS when he says, that he didnt condone or support it
just like NA leadership didnt condone or support what happened to us this set
but our whole clan is being burned for one members actions
but now here you have MULTIPLE people abusing an ingame bug
i do NOT fault the leadership of the opposing clans. you guys are great leaders.
please do not fault OUR leadership with what happened either. i do think we're good leaders too!
should the members involved take accountability for their actions?
But just incase people want to talk about exploiting and what happens if you do it, I'll clear the air a little.... if you are ACTIVELY exploiting a bug (ie you are using it to try and win/cheat, and not reporting it once it's found) then there is the potential for deletions and bans"
did SOL/PDM contact the moderators right away? i don't know who contacted the mods. but more than one person abused the bug, that is a fact. they all seemed to be on the same side of a war, it would appear to me, that they all had quite the fun warchat by abusing the bug.
skythe: i'd love to give you the benefit of the doubt, but making 113 hits (i think i counted right) when you had 8 turns... does seem a bit odd. and all the SOL'ers are claiming that a kill done by a country making 113 GS in a row... is a legit kill? please... that really is retarded. that in no way is a legit kill
2 years ago, yes, NA killed some SOL via a bug in 2025. If that were in EE, i would have 100% expected the moderators to fix it. 2025 had lazy ass crap admins. that is most certainly not disputable.
so, earth empires players and admins...
are bug abusers to be tolerated? or deleted and forced to restart?
if these players are not deleted, and if i find a bug in the future and abuse the fluffing fluff out of it. i better not be deleted either.
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