After you respond to that previous post, follow up with a response to this.

I've quoted for you, TWICE now, the post where you started trash talk to me.


Are you going to continue to ignore my proof? Or would you like to finally acknowledge you did, in fact, write what I quoted.


Or is this still the hallucination garbage you've drummed up?

OK, that first sentence of yours legit didn't make sense. So I'm going to just ignore it.


Let's go with the second sentence, and let's try REAL hard to stay on topic here.



I have no empathy for others. What is your evidence for this?


Follow up question, can you explain how a lack of empathy for others translates into an inability to conceive a reality where your opponents aren't crazy?

I know of individuals who lack empathy. There are plenty of individuals with have mental diagnoses that have impaired empathy. That lack of empathy does not impair their ability to perceive reality though.

You can absolutely not care about someone, or something, but still understand perceive the world accurately.



I'd really like you to explain how you connected those two thoughts. And again, happy for you to cite DSM 5 page numbers so that I can follow along. I've got my copy right here on my desk, ready to learn from you.

Can you please explain to me how I've 'detached' and created my own reality.


To the best of my knowledge I just quoted your post. Are you saying that the post I quoted didn't actually happen?

Quoted it for you again, TC.



Who else see's this hallucination? Maybe we are all on some group LSD trip or something!

I hallucinate the post of yours I literally fvcking quoted?



Interesting! Anyone else see that hallucination?!?

Oh I know it's a fight. And Empy has been white knighting for you for 24 hours now.


I think you're a little scared to actually address the points I'm raising, because I think you know how poorly it's going to turn out for you. I'll be honest, this strategy of yours, although pathetic, is probably your best bet. Call me annoying, talk about my posts being too long. Maybe say people don't like me.


Its kind of a tired strategy, but your options are limited, so I don't blame you for employing it.



Here's an alternative option for you though. Admit you shouldn't have attacked me. Admit when you said I was 'detached from reality' that you didn't actually know what those words meant. Admit you're not actually the smartest guy in the room. Maybe throw in a "Sorry, BH". And I'll let this go.



Orrrrrrrr, you can try to fish an effective strategy out of your man-purse. I'm hoping you dig in the purse, cause it's a hell of a lot more fun for me.



Your call, TC!

Oh, also....

"No one started trash talk to you bud"


You just going to ignore that I offered you irrefutable prove to that asinine comment of yours?


I know you went to the school of 'ignore info and hope it goes away' run by Dean Leto - But it's kinda like going to the University of Phoenix, isn't it? Not very good.... eek.


You want to at least acknowledge what you did. Or are you going to pretend that didn't happen and hope it goes away?

Nah, TC. It's called letting another man fight your battles for you. Which is sad. If you're gonna start a fight, at least stay in the ring to deal with the consequences. Taking advantage of Empy's loyalty to his people is a low move by you.


Am I surprised? No. You seem like the type of person who engages in a lot of low and fluffty moves. It's kinda your MO, isn't it?

Oh I'm sorry TC, did I misinterpret this message as somehow NOT trash talk?


Look bro- something you gotta come to terms with real quick.

I keep the receipts. And I hold people's feet to the fire.



Don't like it, don't come at me.




Would you like to recant your statement, or would you like me to add it to the list of things TC has said, are irrefutably wrong and stupid, and that he still hasn't acknowledged. I'm a big fan of accountability, if you haven't learned yet. And I WILL ensure you are held accountable for the words you choose to spew.

Oh one more thing Empy.


This has nothing to do with M4D. I'll be honest, I didn't even know TC was in M4D until recently. So hopefully you don't feel the need to stick up for him. I get that you're a loyal guy and want to defend your peeps, but is TC really your peeps?


Let the dude fight his own battles. He's the one who started talking trash to me. Don't come save him now that I've fluff slapped him. Let him figure his own way out of this hole.

Empy - I hear what you're saying. We've had our discussion, and I've committed to not calling M4D cheaters anymore.

As for the discussion I'm having with TC about the psycho babble stuff, as you've put it....

Why am I doing that? I'm doing it because he made a claim that I was detached from reality. It is not only a personal attack/insult on me, it's also something that he doesn't appear to be able to back up.


He doesn't need to be formally trained in psychology or adjacent field to be knowledgeable on the topic. I'm not claiming that at all. I'm just asking him to justify his claims. If he's knowledgeabe, he's knowledgeable.

The guy has said, on these forums, that he is smarter than everyone else here. He is the one who put his intelligence in the public spotlight for debate. He then attempts to flex that intelligence on me by way of personal insults.

I am making him show the receipts. Back up your claims.


The problem is, and I don't TC just realize this, I am not someone he can just BS his way around. I actually do know what I'm talking about. I can see through all his hollow words and hold his feet to the fire. I can do this because I actually AM educated on this topic, and I actually AM an expert on this topic. He's just a charlatan.

It sucks to act like you're really freaking smart, and then have someone expose you. But that's what happens when you use your supposed intelligence as a sword, publicly. Don't like it, don't use your intelligence to attack others.


That's on TC bro, not me.

TC -


Still hoping you can share with me information about 'detachment from reality'. It's really interesting to me, and I'd love to learn from you!

Drow - I'm trying not to beat a dead horse here, but since you keep asking, I'll clarify for you.


My claim on these forums was that M4D has non-reformed cheaters in their alliance, and leaders who cover for those cheaters. Those claims are well-founded and substantiated.


I do not know if they are cheating this round. I don't have access to any of the information that would allow me to know that. My name in game is in response to them attacking me unprovoked initially this set, and then a further kill run on me after I defended myself when I was attacked 600 times, and they claimed my 1 retaliation was 'unprovoked', hence the laughing thread I made.


The country name 'mad cause they cheat' doesn't refer to active cheating, or past tense cheating. It's like if someone said 'youre made cause you cook food'. They aren't saying I'm ACTIVELY cooking food. They are saying that at some point in time I've cooked food, and that's why I'm mad.


Same idea here.


More than that though, the country name reason exists mostly to ruffle feathers. It's a sore spot for M4D to be called cheaters. And I didn't like that they attacked me multiple times this round. So I hit back, rhetorically.




Again though - trying to let that horse die. Empy and I have had some great conversations and he's shared a lot of wisdom with me. So I let him know I'd lay off the cheating talk. I think I made my point clear about Leto and his actions, no need to continue to make those points anymore.



Hopefully that clears it up!

Drow - I'm not making any claims at all currently. I'm just seeking to understand the clinical justification that TC is going to provide us for me being detached from reality. I've got my DSM 5 handy, as soon as TC wants to reference a page for me. Really looking to learn from him.

Oh, I'm sorry TC. I made a mistake about the intention of your post.

But let's just go with what you just said.

How does me not understanding what you say indicate a 'detachment from reality'.


Are you sure those are the correct words you're trying to use? Could you maybe point me to the page in the DSM 5 that corresponds with what exactly you're talking about. I'm assuming this is some sort of mental health condition/disorder you're attempting to describe?


I'd really like to learn more from you, you sound so educated about this.

Oh you're going to go with the diversion and deflection tactic, clever! Don't actually respond to anything I've said, instead make non sequitor statements that aren't valuable for anything more than a higher word count on a term paper.



I'll ask again.

What about someone posting a gif on a forum makes them 'detached from reality'?


Or if you'd prefer you can just admit that what you said didn't really make any sense, and we can move on. Your choice.

I agree with Vic

TC - you might be my new favorite person.

I absolutely adore your lawn chair psychology you engage in. It's better than watching an episode of Law and Order SVU. The creativity with which you make up things that you think sound like brain type things is excellent.



Can you please explain to me, how does someone posting a gif from the internet to make fun of you indicate a 'detachment from reality'?

Oh shoot, nope I'm dumb. It's Jennifer Lawrence!

https://tenor.com/...-up-okay-sure-gif-4486668

I wish I could post gifs here, directly.

Ya'll know that taylor swift 'yea, sure' gif?

Damnit ya'll, stop quoting a post I deleted 5 seconds later!

Snip snap snip snap.

Deleting my post. TC, you're not worth the effort you silly goose. I am looking forward to learning more from you though sir. Always love to learn from intelligent individuals.

Ohhhh, mr. big shot genius intelligence man is now all of a sudden trying to be funny.


Come on TC, I thought you were going to tell me you had a clinical psychology degree and were an expert at reading people. Or maybe you worked in the military and did profiling. Or perhaps you were an academic and spent your time researching behaviors.


I'm absolutely, positively, stunned. You're not any of those things? You just talk non-sense about things you don't actually know anything about? Wow. Who would have guessed it?



You know any monkey with a keyboard can construct sentences that, at first glance, appear to be intelligent. The problem with doing that though, is that when actual smart people read what you write, they quickly realize that your amalgamation of words is devoid of quality ideas, logical reasoning, and ultimately a reason to care.


In other words, you write stupid. Your ideas are bad. You dum-dum, not smart-smart. Quit trying to act like the smartest kid in class, we are all experience that 2nd hand embarrassment you get when you see someone make a fool of themselves and you can't handle it.

I just want you to know Mike Tyson is one of my favorite humans ever. And as such, you are one of my favorite EE players ever.

If you decide you are going to fvck me till I love you, I will accept that outcome.

TC - what do you do for a living? I expect your answer to blow me away, but I'm sitting down, so hit me with it.

M4D got it! They jumped in at the end, the last 20 attacks or so to help.

You know TC - I've never tussled with you before, as you were always on 'my side' with regards to the Laf vs Mercs stuff.


But I gotta say, you're a real... special person.

I think the most succinct way I would describe you is you are the smartest dum-dum in the classroom. But sometimes you're allowed into the AP classroom, with actual smart kids. And you think you're also the smartest kid there. But you're just.... really really not. Like, so astoundingly not that the actual smart people look at you in amazement. It's really something quite special to behold.

Yea, that's probably true. Which is why I attempted to frame my post in terms of questions, because I was legitimately curious.

I apologize for coming off as presumptive, however.

I apologize everyone, I believe I may be not communicating clearly.

I'm not insinuating you are picking on single targets. I was responding specifically to this quote.

"Solos are automatically regarded as hostile suiciders, because they so frequently are."


If you want to attack solo targets, go for it. I think you are well within your right to do so. And if you want to attack fat targets, go for it. I think people should have defense.



The only point I'm trying to make is that, unless I'm mistaken, a brand new player is going to start the game.... solo. Right?


And if they do, and M4D's stance is that all solo players are suiciders and hostile, then it seems to me that it's very likely that a brand new players first experience with this game will be being killed.


And that is totally fine, I suppose. The only question I'm asking, and it is just a question, is whether or not that is good for the retention of new players?



TC - I'll respond to you as well. I don't think all of the admins and community have 'determined' that it is good for the game. In fact, I believe it has been floated that all new players could be thrown into a 'newbie' tag if you will. And I think for this very reason that I'm illuminating. To give them the opportunity to learn the game without being trashed.




If you really want to know what I think is good for the game, I'd point to Coalie. When I was brand new here and had a very small tag, do you know what Coalie did? He joined me. He helped me teach other new players, he empowered me to be a leader, he provided tools to me, he taught me some of the nuances of the game. The end result was that I had a tag that competed against his tags, actually, for many many months, until I ultimately chose to step away from alliance leadership.



That seems to be the opposite of what M4D is doing, which is 'join us or die'.



TC, maybe you're right though. Maybe that M4D approach is the better approach. I could be an idiot.

Where is this rule written? Also, how is that good for the game? I've been told that M4D's intention is to grow the game. So would you mind explaining to me how targeting all solo players (presumably, new players are going to start as solo) and treating them as hostile suiciders helps the game grow?

No, you're right Empy. I apologize.

I think they really did want you in their clan. It's just a situation where the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. You're the third solo player that has had run in's with M4D on this server so far.

Did you talk to Leto or Empy?

I think they are supposed to handle these sorts of accidents.

Why, what did he do?

I know, it makes my narcissism sad.

What is going on? Who are we killing? Is it an m4d guy??

If the KR is one me, I think you'll be ok. You might have to buy up some troops as you use them though. Break is about 50 troops right now.

Josey, we should be careful. It might be your or I....

I'm in. Who we killing?

Your forces invaded Ewok Village 5000 (#468)!
They broke through the defender's defences!

They destroyed:
1343 Civilians
72 Buildings




OOPS! I guess I'm gonna get attacked another 500 times. Damn, I'm so dumb. Clearly I don't learn my lessons!

Many... mannnnnny times.

damnit SF, you're gonna get me attacked by even more people!

I can only handle fighting the cult right now.

Ko - What you're telling me is that I've been attacked a LOT! Some would say relentlessly!


Tell me something I didn't know, haha.

I know. And I'm playing it SOOOOOO well!

You can't tell me what to do, Empy. Not only am I going to talk to you. I'm going to login to your stream and tell you that blue mtg cards suck. And no matter how many KR's you do, I'll never stop!

I don't want to see my fellow man drink the kool-aid for a cult leader. I think cults are bad. I'm doing my part to fight back! You should too, if you care about your fellow EE'er.

Oh, I am DEFINITELY, the problem.

Glad you're finally catching on.



Now back to business. Who wants to talk about how Doug was ousted from his position in PDM, and how Drow is clearly just following the orders of cult leader Leto?


Drow - it's going to be a confusing time for you. You are trying to follow the orders of your leader, while at the same time being independent from Josey and the Suiciders.

That's going to be tough when Josey and the Suiciders are an un-official off-shot of M4D.