We faught laf here in elders for about an entire year. Aside from one set where we ended up taking on sol/laf due to circumstances around an arranged war, and another where laf had all but won when MD100 FSed both tags (us being the only decent warclans and in oop battle made it tough to work together. MD's slaughter of us was worse than these odds too), laf and elders+family warred a long time.

By the end laf was nearly 50 members (up from 25 or 30). Elders/sof/md/stones and pals was closer to 60. Even in that last set we warred where we finally declared a mutual surrender to an endless war, LaF never called in allies against us. Not one time. SOL flinched at us a lot and talked about honoring their fdp, but laf was kinda all about doing that alone. Even that last set of 60 members FSing from half a dozen tags and slaughtering LaF they never called in an ally.

I want to say both sides won or lost about 3 times (with two sets each where one side got totally dominated by the others warstrat), but i was the one calling in allies not laf...

They surely faced worse odds against us and they surely did not call in allies and took their licks.