I don't want to come off as gloating, but I can't help myself and say, I told you so.

I called it the last time it happened too: http://earthempires.com/...ear-98-33147?t=1410309761

You are right Silentwolf, but then I remember that its just a game and that I am merely playing a fantasy role. My anger drains away and in its place an implacable cold hearted killer takes over to identify destroy the enemies with no mercy or fear

LOL...well, you know I like my retals :). If reinstated, one could very well be killed immediately afterwards for multi-tapping me. <insert suspenseful drama music here>

I'm a little bit like Celphie, I'm getting my retal (most of the time) even if I have to jet up. I try to play all-x but people continue to ask for the
100 acre vs 1000 acre land swap. :)




I think there is an earthquake epidemic this set. I had four within first 600 turns and a few since. I'm in a high seismic zone this set.

ebert is just a butthurt little fluff. cant cheat to win anymore, so use the mods to HELP him instead of getting his friends to sell him cheap oil. which, for the record, he still doesnt think was cheating......

brilliant!


tella, you are a fluffing moron.

My God, mrford, what is happening to you? I find myself agreeing with you.. scary

Have I mentioned it lately that furious is a moron?

ebert, you're either blind or retarded..
http://www.eestats.com/express/country/66

how does it look land trading?

2014-10-09 14:36:59 PS snooze factory (#89) Market Noob (#66) 261A (346A)
2014-10-09 14:36:50 SS snooze factory (#89) Market Noob (#66) 265A (371A)
2014-10-09 14:36:46 SS snooze factory (#89) Market Noob (#66) 377A (488A)

#89 got 1205 acres, #66 lost 903 acres

2014-10-09 14:58:02 PS Market Noob (#66) snooze factory (#89) 262A (327A)
2014-10-09 14:57:35 SS Market Noob (#66) snooze factory (#89) 226A (292A)
2014-10-09 14:56:39 SS Market Noob (#66) snooze factory (#89) DH
2014-10-09 14:56:10 SS Market Noob (#66) snooze factory (#89) 274A (368A)
2014-10-09 14:55:46 SS Market Noob (#66) snooze factory (#89) 264A (355A)

#66 got 1342 acres, #89 lost 1029 acres

2014-10-09 14:58:16 PS snooze factory (#89) Market Noob (#66) 309A (349A)
2014-10-09 14:58:08 SS snooze factory (#89) Market Noob (#66) 302A (339A)
2014-10-09 14:58:06 SS snooze factory (#89) Market Noob (#66) 374A (418A)
2014-10-09 14:58:03 SS snooze factory (#89) Market Noob (#66) 423A (481A)

#89 got 1587 acres, #66 lost 1408 acres

2014-10-09 21:41:12 PS Market Noob (#66) snooze factory (#89) 281A (293A)
2014-10-09 21:40:27 SS Market Noob (#66) snooze factory (#89) 253A (263A)
2014-10-09 21:40:10 SS Market Noob (#66) snooze factory (#89) 335A (349A)
2014-10-09 21:39:26 SS Market Noob (#66) snooze factory (#89) 386A (405A)
2014-10-09 21:39:17 SS Market Noob (#66) snooze factory (#89) 403A (427A)
2014-10-09 15:03:37 PS Market Noob (#66) snooze factory (#89) 129A (141A)
2014-10-09 15:02:33 PS Market Noob (#66) snooze factory (#89) 197A (220A)
2014-10-09 15:02:10 SS Market Noob (#66) snooze factory (#89) 175A (200A)
2014-10-09 15:01:26 SS Market Noob (#66) snooze factory (#89) 248A (289A)
2014-10-09 15:01:03 SS Market Noob (#66) snooze factory (#89) 285A (342A)

#66 gained 2731 acres, #89 lost 2692 acres. \

ALL IN ALL

#66 gained 1,762 acres. #89 lost 929 acres.

So exchanging about 30 hits net gains you 1,762 acrees and you call that land trading? The number of turns used for attacks and building, you might as well just explore. You can easily get that amount of land with 3-4 hits bottomfeeding.

did anyone notice they have been restored

That is nice and all, but they never should of been deleted in the first place. Mods shouldn't have knee jerk reactions because of a butt hurt member of the community.

And if that wasn't bad enoigh, the responce time in the appeals process is atrocious. I understand you all have lives and fluff, but you are mods. Get more, or investigate before deletions.

This isn't even talking about the team server, which is even worse.

well Certain express players drive Express mods to retirement :)

Probably doesn't help when they make obviously incorrect deletions based on spurious accusations within minutes, without any investigation.

Thanks Warster.

Quick work to resolve what was an unfortunate episode. :)

Quick work? Dude.... on any other server maybe. On express? That responce time was dreadful.


Maybe I'll start taking advantage of the moron mods. When reinstated, do you get full turns like in e2025? I'll start reporting myself then appealing. Free turns fluffes! Should take the current express mod team atleast 3 months to.catch on. $ profit

oh now i know your real opinion of me ford :)

*best Freud voice

My opinion of you, or your opinion of yourself? You were never specifically mentioned!


Lol. Most mods do the best they can, some dont. There needs to be a concrete system of checks and balances and there needs to be someome avaliable withint a reasonable timeframe. 1 day on a server that lasts 5 would be like it taking 12 days on alliance or primary. That is unacceptable. Get more mods, or get more active mods. Above all, get better ones.

it was 11- 12 hours ford not a day, so 6 days alliance time :)

Oh, my bad. The equivalent of 6 days then. My bad. My point is completely irrelevant. Carry on!

so your saying a mod must act within 2 hours (as that equals a day) of anything happening on the express server to be doing their job?

I said reasonable amount of time. No specifics. But yes, 12 hours on a server this fast paced is unacceptable. This is compounded by the rapid responce time to ebert and his extremely wide set vagina, and the slow ass responce time to a legit appeal. The entire server could see it wasn't cooirdnation, the mod couldnt?

You are focusing on the timeframe aspect of my point, not the timeframe conjoined with the quality.

Mods wouldn't have to be as active if they would stop making mistakes. Complaints would probably be lower too, but then again this server is full of people like ebert and cable so maybe not.

This server supposedly has 2 mods, and both claim to be inactive or retired, despite forum activity. I don't get it. Get new mods then. Do something.

Thank you for looking into this!

9 hours between tip and deletion, 11 hours between appeal and getting restored


so sorry that i decided to go and have lunch before dealing with this crap, next time ill just let tella and martain respond im sure it would have been handled in well i dont know 3 months :)

lol

I so sorry! I didn't mean anything by it! It was literally the first thing to pop in my head after 3 of those beers you get from the shady corner store that come in the 4 pack for 2 bucks.

You just summed up my point better than I ever could. Thanks.

Uh Oh... Hammer sorry im sure it was me who multi-hit you!

I've been farmed to hell already, good luck getting your acres back :)

And back to warring it appears! Funny fluff.

i dont disagree with your point ford, but grouping all mods together isn't nice, before i stepped away from active moderating i pointed out a few times that express needs 3 active mods at all times due to the shortness of the server and a reserve/mentor in case of the need of a 2nd opinion or to over rule mistakes, but i have no say in that department.

I thought it was just me, Getafix. Not necessarily with his recent comment, but over the last several weeks, I have found myself agreeing with him too! Ford was the first person I debated when I began playing over a year ago. He's coming around!

Sorry, but you are the company you keep.

Then again, if the mods were more upfront and transparent in their actions, maybe then we would be able to differentiate between individuals.

There is a vast difference between me trolling, and me being serious. Those who havnt figured that out are those who still follow me around with dislike and bitterness. Forum personas are fun, but not indicative of who someone is all the time. I would like to think I'm rather logical if I feel like it. However, these forums are for fun, not saving toe world.

Hey viceroy I keep your company in alliance, does that taint you because I'm a mod?

Also it's easy to know when I delete people, it's always the same 8 hour window, 4pm thru to midnight EST, I never delete from my phone.

If you cheated as a Monster, it would taint all us Monsters.


[EDIT: We're accusing mods of incompetence here, not impropriety. A better and more appropriate example would be if someone were to repeatedly grab alliances we had pacts with, which would still directly reflect the quality of the people in our clam, er... in our appliance. Sorry if my previous analogy went too far over the top.]

Forum personae might be carefully crafted to project a specific image? I don't believe you.

Yeah, they're for saving finger world :p

Bit hard to change the actions or inaction of other staff. I only fix what I'm messaged about by players. If I was to get permission to recruit and train new express mods I might return to nodding duties but that won't happen .

If you guys want to become mods, send a message to martian. Keep in mind that you won't be able to play on a server you mod. And likely, you probably wouldn't be able to mod express due to your longstanding connection to the server, but it's definitely worth a shot. I can't claim to speak for qz and martian, but I seriously doubt that so many people are actually asking to become mods... There was a post on alliance, and ONE person volunteered, until we told him he'd have to stop playing alliance and he changed his mind.

Regarding this issue, without going into specifics, I can guarantee you that nobody deletes for zero reasons. No mod would ever do something simply because someone asked them to. If they did, they'd lost their position. Many people(including many many many of you posting on this thread) report others ingame every single week, and you'll notice that action isn't always taken. Perhaps this is due to a lack of active mods(myself included due to real life lately), but there is always at least one mod that looks into reports each set. If no action is taken, it's most likely because a mod disagreed with your complaint and let it pass.

I have been guilty of drawing stuff that I thought looked suspicious to the attention of mods.

It's not a good idea and I don't think I'll be doing it again.

So if Sw retires.. i can become a mod?

Btw, for ppl that play the game for free and demand such high standards.. Pfftttt.

They doing the best they can from what I have seen on the boards.

Bloody wankers.

the best they can? lol

if they were doing the best they can they need to retire and get new mods. i appreciate their effort, but it cant be their best. step down if you are too busy to be a moderator. it is that simple. but that isnt going to happen, because they like their power. and the admins think they have effective moderation, nothing will change.

so your "they are doing the best they can" argument is far worse for the game than people asking for better moderation.... accepting fluff like this is foolish. we arnt asking for 24/7 monitoring, just reasonable more active and maybe a better checking system so deletions like these dont happen. it isnt much to ask to get moderators that give a fluff and enough of them.

but sure, they are doing the best they can, criticism is barred!

*eats popcorn*

Well at least Warster stepped in, it seems from what I've seen he's usually the guy that steps in when something relevant happens :-)

Back when galleri was mod in this server with Warster things got done quicker, give credit where it's due +1 Warster.

+1 Warster, and +1 Tella as well, we know you put a lot of effort in. I sometimes get carried away in my righteous indignation. Sorry.

I maintain again and again that this server needs to be slowed down, turns are too fast. Probably the 10th time I've posted this. It also fixes a variety of other issues such as storing huge amounts of 360(360) turns, and the fact that Commies need a special rule (increased max market %) in order to be even playable on this server.

With such fast turns, you need at least 6 mods to cover all time zones so that response times are no longer than 3 hours maximum. Consider the Alliance server, a 12-hour response time is only 36 turns. Here, a 12 hour response time is 180 turns.

I respect Tellarion (and you too Warstar, you both are doing great), but with the lack of sufficient mods, problems like these will continue to exist. This is one of those reasons why we cannot expand the game to other platforms like Facebook, we already can't handle one server with a population of 100.

And if you slow down the turns, you take away the appeal of express.

I'm not disputing this. I agree that a lot of the charm is exactly because of the fast paced turns. I'm just pointing out that such a server cannot be moderated properly without at least 6 mods.

As such, players should either expect "slow" responses (hey its 180 turns! Imagine the uproar of 2.5 days response time if it was Alliance server!) and be appreciative of the fact that there are even any mods at all, or not have the server exist.

Pretty much the only people with enough time and dedication to mod express are the express players themselves.

I think the solution would be to adopt a 'mini-mod' system. Let there be a pool of players who sign up. Obviously they would have to have a clean country history and some experience with express. Every week, pick 2 people out of the pool to act as mods. They can't run countries that set, they would both have to agree about a deletion, and give tella the authority to restore countries deleted by the minis. If they abuse their powers they're kicked out of the pool.

I always make sure to read and understand your posts. I think you have it wrong on commies. Commie is typically the majority government of the top 10 countries at end of set. I think they do have a higher max market than on other servers, but I'm not 100% certain.

I like the present speed. The speed also means a new set is right around the corner.

If I was paying money to play this game I would want more communication regarding the moderation. Since this game is free, I have nothing but thanks for those who spend their time keeping it operational.

I'll live with the occasional mistake because it happens. Even if it happens to me (hope not)!

If the player base were larger, the mod base would naturally grow too, it's fair to guess.

Nice to read some sensible posts.

+1 UpTheIrons

We're talking a little bit about different things.

Because of expenses, Commies need to sell their units on the market every 50-100 turns. It is very common for Commies to "double sell" every day on other servers. Problem is, turns comes in so fast on Express that you often end up with 2X or 3X turns to spend when you login, to compensate, they increased the maximum % you can sell. With the default %, you would literally be forced to babysit your country every 2 hours instead of every 6 hours to be playable. So when you wake up overnight with all that turns that you can't spend because you need to sell first, you need to sell 3x every 2 hours to catchup on the turn rate.

Commies dominate on this server because of a different reason: Game length. Express runs on a total of 1800 turns, every other server has over 3000 turns. The shorter the game length, the better Commies are, because again expenses. Expenses formula isn't linear, it grows exponentially with NW size, which means Commies are actually the worst countries to run on servers with long game lengths (eg Alliance with 4320 turns). 1800 turns on Express means that the typical land sizes countries grow to by the end of the reset are small enough that Expenses does not become a problematic factor for Commies. You'll almost never see Commies finish top 10 on Alliance, and if it happened, it is probably only because there was a server war or something. Server wars don't exist on solo servers.