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Drow

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Sep 24th 2012, 12:42:55

Why the PDM boxcar site appears to have possibly been deleted?
NOT impressed.

Edited By: Sov on Sep 24th 2012, 12:59:17
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Marshal

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Sep 24th 2012, 12:45:19

custom page or whole your end? does your login still work?

you forgot to bribe Gallery most likely. :P

since pang is in pdm you should find him easily.

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Drow

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Sep 24th 2012, 12:47:08

Marshall: our whol entire site. NO ONE's login or pass works, and guests who have limited access to PDM's site have had that access go missing. This has occurred in about the last 14 hours or so at a guess, given I was able to log in this morning. ergo, I can only assume that our site has been taken down by someone.

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UltraMarines

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Sep 24th 2012, 12:48:58

Yeah i was on 2 hours ago then lost my perms to do anything, then it wouldn't let me log in! shenanigans

Marshal

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Sep 24th 2012, 12:50:32

noticed it via mafia board. pangy should be able to explain it.

p.s. that kinda fluffs up mafia-games.

p.p.s. paradigm is still listed on hosted alliances list.

Buch

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Sep 24th 2012, 12:52:08

I did it

Drow

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Sep 24th 2012, 12:54:54

marshall: just because it's listed doesn't mean it's still there.
it's convenient how it is solely our site that seems to have been taken down.

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qcgoofball

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Sep 24th 2012, 13:00:46

tada

Devestation

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Sep 24th 2012, 13:02:11

Marshal how exactly did you notice that there's something wrong? We're kind of stuck for information right now.

Boltar

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Sep 24th 2012, 13:05:53

I blame laf.

Devestation

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Sep 24th 2012, 13:09:05

Oh. I see now.

http://www.boxcarhosting.com/...t=2012-09-06+13%3A00%3A44

PDM accounts have no data attached to them. No Alliance, server, posts, medals etc. Just the data related to the post itself.

...Well, I hope this person is proud.

Drow

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Sep 24th 2012, 13:10:45

Boltar, I don't know yet, but if it was someone with Malicious intent, then that's it, I've just had my reason to quit earth entirely.

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Bee

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Sep 24th 2012, 13:11:32

yikes.. you have a spy in management!

TAN

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Sep 24th 2012, 13:12:06

Yeah, if this was malicious, I'm gone. But let's see what happened first. Maybe it was a database error or something.

FREEEEEDOM!!!

TheMatrix

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Sep 24th 2012, 13:16:32

Originally posted by TAN:

Yeah, if this was malicious, I'm gone. But let's see what happened first. Maybe it was a database error or something.

Usually I'm all about being negative but I'm with TAN on this. Most likely this is either a mistake or an application issue.

Sov

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Sep 24th 2012, 13:20:00

Let's wait and see what happens. I do hope it is only an error.

de1i

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Sep 24th 2012, 13:22:41

I hope you got hacked, need some popcorn worthy material to read at work the next couple days.

Drow

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Sep 24th 2012, 13:27:21

de1i: that's not cool dude. because if someone has hacked us, you can guarantee they will have successfully driven many of us from earth entirely.

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TAN

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Sep 24th 2012, 13:28:07

I'm pretty sure I speak on behalf of PDM when I say if we got hacked, we're done with the game. Hope that popcorn tastes good.

FREEEEEDOM!!!

Red X

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Sep 24th 2012, 13:40:50

poof there goes your site, ugh that sucks had to make a lyric reference sorry. I am sure its just a data base error between boxcar being linked with earth empires on the same server. I am sure stuff can get lost even though it sucks!

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ninong

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Sep 24th 2012, 13:41:08

not good but interesting, share some of that popcorn.

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Dibs Ludicrous

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Sep 24th 2012, 13:43:27

i thought that Pang was in charge of boxcar? and if Pang is in charge, then there is probably a backup somewhere. is it too early to blame it on Turtle Crawler?

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TAN

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Sep 24th 2012, 13:48:45

Pang is at work right now so we won't know what happened till he gets home. He says it sounds like someone deleted all the user accounts, but he needs to see the database first before he can know for sure.

FREEEEEDOM!!!

Drow

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Sep 24th 2012, 13:51:05

Red X: I am more inclined to believe that the PDM site has been targeted specifically because it is ONLY our site that has gone, and not anyone else's. if the issue was more widespread I'd be more inclined to think glitch.

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SirSepher

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Sep 24th 2012, 13:58:21

I'm not getting login failures... I'm leaning toward a glitch. Usually you get a "loginfail" in the address bar when you mis-type your info. Any PDMers pointing fingers should reel them in right now. Hold up until we know what's going on people!

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TAN

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Sep 24th 2012, 14:07:14

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

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TaSk1

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Sep 24th 2012, 14:34:19

LCN did it, LaF supplied the m&m's.

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LaFinglolrik

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Sep 24th 2012, 14:44:55

I think this must be the work of Don Hanlong . I blame Don Hanlong!

Pontius Pirate

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Sep 24th 2012, 14:50:23

doesnt anyone in pdm have an account in another site? just check through there

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Mr. Iris

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Sep 24th 2012, 15:03:44

Someone with admin access to an alliance boxcar site should look for PDM in the share spy ops list.

Good luck with whatever caused this =(

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martian

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Sep 24th 2012, 15:06:16

If you have not already contacted and admin I have fwd this to the attention of a couple.

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TAN

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Sep 24th 2012, 15:06:28

Originally posted by Pontius Pirate:

doesnt anyone in pdm have an account in another site? just check through there

They have. According to Direstrike/Devestation:

PDM accounts have no data attached to them. No Alliance, server, posts, medals etc. Just the data related to the post itself.

FREEEEEDOM!!!

TAN

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Sep 24th 2012, 15:07:19

I already told Pang about this. He'll check the database after he finishes work.

FREEEEEDOM!!!

Pang

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Sep 24th 2012, 15:30:19

Just checked the db, all the accounts are gone. i didn't do it, there's no paper trail, so something weird is happening.

i can restore them... but... this means YET MORE BAD THINGS being done by someone :p

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Sov

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Sep 24th 2012, 15:39:40

...

NukEvil

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Sep 24th 2012, 15:41:05

No paper trail? So someone gained access to the backend database and deleted the accounts?

I assume BoxCar itself logs when accounts are deleted (I would hope that accounts aren't actually deleted from the db, just "disabled")?

Edited By: NukEvil on Sep 24th 2012, 15:43:28
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Pang

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Sep 24th 2012, 15:44:08

Originally posted by NukEvil:

No paper trail? So someone gained access to the backend database and deleted the accounts?

I assume BoxCar itself logs when accounts are deleted?

yes it does. i'll dig into the query logs when I can connect with qz

i'll have most of the accounts restored later this afternoon from my most recent backup regardless.

Edited By: Pang on Sep 24th 2012, 15:46:42
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Sov

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Sep 24th 2012, 15:46:51

It might be better for you to wait for confirmation first rather than speculating.

Pang

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Sep 24th 2012, 15:49:40

there's no speculation; the accounts are gone from the database. reasons are either bug, exploit or db abuse. i'd lean toward the first two over the final one based on how we set up the db access in the wake of the last DB abuse scandal :p

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TheMatrix

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Sep 24th 2012, 15:50:43

yes. Let's all wait for confirmation before this turns into a typical AT thread.

Sov

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Sep 24th 2012, 15:53:28

Yea that's what iZarcon and qz believe that it's a bug because of the security in place makes it hard to tamper with.

I comment about the speculating because your above posts can lead one to believe that something malicious has been done against PDM. I know there are many upset PDMers right now on the verge of quitting so we should proceed with sensitivity.

TAN

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Sep 24th 2012, 16:13:23

I blame LaF because fluff yo couch.

FREEEEEDOM!!!

UBer Bu

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Sep 24th 2012, 16:17:43

OBAMAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

*shakes fist*

-take off every sig.

TAN

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Sep 24th 2012, 16:18:33

Speaking of that, has anyone even seen Pang's birth certificate?? Why should we trust him as admin??

FREEEEEDOM!!!

elvesrus

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Sep 24th 2012, 16:21:34

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOzG7bBylRo

Originally posted by crest23:

Elves is a douche on every server.

NukEvil

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Sep 24th 2012, 16:22:27

They don't do birth certificates up in Canada, remember?

Science has proven that it's too cold up there for anyone to actually be "born", so they use test tubes instead.

ninong

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Sep 24th 2012, 16:47:21

already changed the passwords or whatever?

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Jax

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Sep 24th 2012, 16:49:14

*looks at her birth certificate*

What? Canadians don't get these?

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SAM_DANGER

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Sep 24th 2012, 17:06:40

ONE THING I DON'T UNDERSTAND: WHY WOULD ANYBODY QUIT THE GAME OVER THIS, EVEN IF IT WAS A MALICIOUS ATTACK BY SOMEONE?

IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY AFFECT YOUR COUNTRIES, RIGHT? JUST YOUR ABILITY TO USE ONE 3RD PARTY SITE. (I KNOW, NOT REALLY SEPARATE, WITH SOME OF THE ADMINS BEING THE SAME, BUT STILL)

TAN

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Sep 24th 2012, 17:18:37

Because the culture of this community is already beyond retardedly fluff. When it starts to get malicious, that's when it's time to leave. Remember, the people playing in this alliance are real human beings. If someone actually hacked in and got upper level site access, or even just wanted to be an asshole, they could pull all our email addresses and our phone numbers.

If this attack turns out to be at all malicious, I'm done with the game, and I'm sure most of PDM will be as well.

We've gotten shat on every set for the last year. If this involves hacking or exploits at all, fluff this game.

But we'll see. It's hopefully just a bug that will get sorted.

FREEEEEDOM!!!