Given everything else that went on tt is very fair to assume that hanlong took the moral high ground and did not read any private messages that were sent through EE.

Also I have a bridge I want to sell, anyone interested? Cash only.

Go ask him then Alin, ive told you that before but yer too fluffin stupid to understand plain english

and being called dumb by you and dagga hurts ooh so much! OH NO!

If you think hanlong didn't read private messages while he had full access to everyone's boxcar sites - then you're an idiot.

If what Hanlong did is considered hacking, so is what KJ did. TurtleCrawler provided Hanlong the access on boxcar and EE, and someone else provided KJ with Hanlong's work information. And then with access to something they should not have had access to, they did horrible things.

They both went over the line, and they both should be permanently banned from EE.

Hanlong told me himself where he worked months ago :P

Try again Rockman!

If KJ had gotten the logs from someone who had access to the db, don't you think there would have been similar logs of that access?

[03:30] <Don_Hanlong> my company is releasing product out soon
[03:30] <Don_Hanlong> im working my ass off
[03:30] <Don_Hanlong> xxxxx
[03:30] <Don_Hanlong> go try out our product ;P
[03:30] <Don_Hanlong> we have like 30M users now hehe
01[03:30] <BattleKJ> whats it called
[03:30] <Don_Hanlong> but 80 hour weeks hurt :(
[03:30] <Don_Hanlong> xxxxxx
01[03:30] <BattleKJ> xxxx is a brand name here
01[03:31] <BattleKJ> well known
01[03:31] <BattleKJ> but im thinking you're not associated with the xxxxxxx?

Did he say "Here's my boss's contact information, feel free to contact him"?

1) Yes, hanlong cheated. Not "they" not "Laf", not the "other side", just hanlong and TC. That's been well established. Thank you for putting it in caps for those that were confused.

2) What advantage? Again, you're just talking out of your ass. maybe you should put some more words in caps?

3) Yep, he most likely read some information he wouldn't have had access to otherwise. How was this a HUGE factor? What exactly was the information and how did it effect you? See I can put words in all caps too.

How the fluff am I supporting those methods by saying going after this job is too much?

In regards to hanlong:
Banned - Agree
Countries Deleted - Agree, would have deleted them all myself.
Attack Laf - Sure, if I was md I would have attacked them too.
Try to get hanlong fired? - Childish overreaction

Okey children, time to sleep. It's bedtime now.

1.The person involved with hanlong added 10 mil troops to his country.
2. One Laf country had - 4000 turrets ( minus ) and could not be attacked
3. (CAPS WORTHY) Hanlong was getting market spy and every other info out of the "cheating". He was controlling the market, and had inofmation about anything that moves in EE and boxcar.

IS that enougH? i`ll stop arguing with you here tough - because i fell like arguing with a "wall" that asks to many questions.

P.S: you support those methods by trying to minimize the impact hanlong had on Laf+EE generally.

Bye Helmy!

Was proven not to be related. Just keeping facts straight for my Bonus Post!!!! Whooooooooo ;P

bah, me fails at editing

too bad you can't keep your quotes as straight as your facts. lolBURN
*runs away*

!) We aren't talking about TC, but I can understand your need to bring him in to it since your argument is so weak.
2) Even the admins admitted this could very well have been a glitch, so you have no point.
3) From what I've read nobody knows what exactly he looked at with the EE access and there weren't that many logins. Now you're just talking at your ass about what he used the access for. :)

I'd quit arguing if I was you too. You suck at it.

Dais Azz Kikr!!! ;P

i prefer someone cheat the game 10 times, than someone ruined other people's RL.

oh well..... i really hope no more people that playing this game has the same attitude.

i did :( restarting

1. Correct.
2. Proven to not be related as Newworld said.
3. Incorrect, there is zero evidence that Hanlong ever edited countries or the market, and controlling the market would have required cheating to the extent that he would have gotten caught - it would have been far more obvious than one person merely adding 10 million troops to his country.

"Hey the new Earth Empires Reset started last set saw hanlong break all sorts of records ended with 435mil new net worth. We miss you. Come back to Laf! If you re having trouble little logging into you Laf account, just SMS me or go to http://www.lafamiglia.org and drop an e-mail ... come back"

There`s Laf recruiting message - end of last set.
It is clear as cristal ( for me at least - because for guys like Helmet it will never be ) that Hanlong was accessing the database in order to manipulate his stock to win the game.

He broke all the records of CHEATING.

Be blind - i care less.

Anyone who has landtraded on FFA or has mastered basic arithmetic can tell you that no stock manipulation was needed.

Ok you made me belive :

I belive he didn`t use the database for spyops during wars.
I belive he didn`t use the database to see private messages in EE and gain ill information.
I belive he won the game legit ( after all what he has done until that point is clean and honorable ).
I belive that he did not had any kind of influence on Laf as a group.

I am a beliver Helmy boy - i am also getting verry drunk tonight starting : NOW, in order to belive more of your fluff :)

Have a nice day/evening!

Seriously?

Look, if HLW could have manipulated the market, and he sure had the time to, he wouldn't just stop at 400m networth.

He would get 1b networth.

what you talking about Willis? people who take this stuff too personal like, might end up with me having to kill them on my door step. not that i wouldn't enjoy the heck out of it, but i really don't think it's necessary.

Folk is always plural. Although others might agree with your point of view, you may want to proof read your comments before posting them.

+1

Unless you have a spy in leadership, there is no way they gonna get vital info out of your "members board".

So to you it is the level the spy is that matters?


Many people watched Hanlong's country that set and found no evidence of cheating. All networth records have gone up dramatically in every way(ANW/top NW etc). That is all I really feel the need to say.


Thanks for the comment Martian.

1) my sister did a lot more than that.
2) why? She is just as much as at fault than him.
3) I had my sisters full permission
4) Yes, Yes i am, i fail to see your point?

Look, you dont sleep with your best mates man/woman. Its just not done, imo she got of lightly.

kinda depends on whether you have permission or not.

yup, cos that wouldn't have looked dodgy at all.

rofl

hmmm, seems that anoniem thinks it's ok to cheat if it doesn't look dodgy at all.

Ahh no. He's saying it would be been grossly idiotic to get $1b NW. By not going way overboard, hanlong was able to continue using the game DB to help his country along and cheat the rest of the server.

You're seriously deluded if you don't think his country last reset was not the product of illegal information at the very least. Given the circumstances and the fact that the EE admins didn't have any detailed logs for any length of time - I understand how you LaF apologists want to underestimate and cast doubt on the level of cheating. The truth of the matter is that there is a much greater chance the cheating was done on a much larger scale than just the instances where they were caught red-handed. Record networth finishes and just one single instance where a country was gifted 10m troops? LOL. What a stretch.

+1

I am not going to waste time arguing this thread or the other one, though.

dagga the admins have stated several times there was no evidence whatsoever to support that the country was edited in anyway last set.

You may speculate as much as you want but that is fact.

Sov, don't selectively read my post.

"You're seriously deluded if you don't think his country last reset was not the product of illegal information at the very least"

lol

Time to put an end to this.
1) did TC/Hanlong break game rules? yes
2) did TC/hanlong to anythig that the admin feels require follow up in terms of going beyond the context of this game and related servers? Right now no. If there is anything where pang/qz change their minds about regarding anyone it will be up to them to decide what they are going to do and if/when they will share that info with any of you

Onto Evo:
Did KJ hack/break any rules/cheat?
The only bad things KJ has done in terms of rules violations in EE has been to post things he shouldn't and has been banned/deleted for doing it. No admin has given him any info or passed on any info. If you know my game related history with KJ you would quickly realize that I would scream bloody murder if any of that was true.
Has KJ been egging you guys along regarding hacking? Definately. Is that against any game rules? no. In fact I fail to see why because it only has brought increased scruity against evo and KJ. It's also somewhat aggrevating because it means that we have to spend our time investigating all this stuff which could be used on game development. However it takes two to tango and it would be unfair to single KJ (or even EVO) out for doing stuff like that. As far as in game political actions go that's for the community to sort out, not going to delete a tag just because they do something I don't like (if it's within the game rules).

At this point there is no more reason to keep rehashing this and I"m going to close this thread.

If more evidence comes to light that we think is important to the community as a whole we will let you know.

If you are all going to fight over politics, keep it to politics and in game actions please.
Thank you.