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Jun 16th 2011, 18:50:07

-1 = -1

1/-1 = -1
sqrt(1/-1) = sqrt(-1)
1/sqrt(-1) = sqrt(-1)
1 = sqrt(-1) * sqrt(-1)
1 = -1

it's MAGIC!
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Jun 16th 2011, 18:52:02

But can you divide by zero!
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Jun 16th 2011, 18:52:22

only the infinite monkeys can divide by zero!
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Jun 16th 2011, 18:55:32

and I quote:
"Ever had one of those moments where you were in dire need of a banana? This was one of those times. With rage, they made the final move of the game.

... π/0

Division by Zero. The world had not seen such horror since World War II, when the Americans used it on Hiroshima. Kasparov stood up, stunned, then immediately resigned. "

excerpt from the article Kasparov vs the infinite monkeys
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Jun 16th 2011, 18:57:10

0.999... = 1
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Jun 16th 2011, 19:37:22

fluff = ffulf
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Jun 16th 2011, 20:40:20

martian is nub.


sqrt(1/-1) = sqrt(-1)
1/sqrt(-1) != sqrt(-1)


sqrt(1 / (-1)) = i
sqrt(-1) = i
1 / sqrt(-1) = - i
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Jun 16th 2011, 20:48:12

I had a kasperov computerized chess set. In UNI we used to do a fluff ton of coke off the lid of said chess set so "chess" or "kasperov" became code for "let's do a fluffton of blow"

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Jun 16th 2011, 20:55:24

but toma: sqrt(a/b) = sqrt(a)/sqrt(b)
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1/-1 = -1
thus if you take sqrt of both sides they should still be equal!
really...
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Jun 16th 2011, 20:56:14

BACK TO MATH CLASS FOR YOU!
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Jun 16th 2011, 21:47:51

that's not what google said!

The real problem with your argument is that sqrt() is not a injective function.

For example
lets declare f(x) = 0;

0 = 0
f(-1) = f(1)
-1 = 1

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Jun 16th 2011, 21:53:26

actually no.

-1 = -1 correct

1/-1 = -1 correct
sqrt(1/-1) = sqrt(-1) correct
1/sqrt(-1) = sqrt(-1) correct
the thing is that y=a^x does not have a unique solution

when I do this:

1 = sqrt(-1) * sqrt(-1) (incorrect in the sense that each of those sqrt(-1) from before represent different solutions of sqrt(-1))

hence you get the statement:
1 = -1 which shouldn't really follow from the above because I'm not using sqrt() in the same way for each.

for example

9 = 9
(-3)^2 = (3)^2
sqrt((-3)^2) = sqrt(3^2)
thus -3 = 3
same as above:P


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Jun 16th 2011, 21:55:26

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Jun 16th 2011, 21:56:18

pot.. meet kettle!
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Jun 16th 2011, 22:03:37

Is this math ever going to come in handy with any of you? Outside of this argument? Cause I know the fluff at wawa won't take .99$ on the dollar, even after I told her its the same thing.

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Jun 16th 2011, 22:09:06

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Jun 16th 2011, 22:31:11

The action of taking a square root is NOT well-defined, thus it cannot be used in proofs.

Its like saying that 47=95 because 0=0 and 47*0=95*0
It just makes no sense.

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Jun 16th 2011, 23:04:25

um, don't square roots always provide 2 answers anyway? a positive and a negative value?

my math is real rusty, so you can yell at me for about an inch worth of forum for asking silly questions...
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Jun 16th 2011, 23:33:05

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Jun 17th 2011, 0:00:15

Oh god, enough math to make my head hurt. XD
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Jun 17th 2011, 3:56:59

Originally posted by Rockman:
The action of taking a square root is NOT well-defined, thus it cannot be used in proofs.

Its like saying that 47=95 because 0=0 and 47*0=95*0
It just makes no sense.

actually no, your example is something different.
sqrt is a specific power (1/2) and it is very well and precisely definsed in mathematics as are all powers and you can definately use them in proofs if you apply them correctly and completely(which is not what I did)

Certain operations alter the domain of possible solutions and hence once you've done that you get a solution set for the new equation that won't work for the old one.
for example if you try to solve
x^2 = 1
x = 1, x = -1
but if you square both sides
x^4 = 1
to which the solutions are:
x = 1, x= -1, x=i, x= -i
but those aren't the solutions to the original equation but you have "created solutions" by raising both sides to a new power.

you can also get situations like this (without complex numbers)
by solving equations in the form (sqrt(ax^2+bx+c))= dx+e
(x is the variable, a,b,c,d,e are real numbers)
or even sqrt(ax+b) = cx

So to summarize the issue isn't with the definition of the functions, it's that we aren't being rigerous enough in the illustrated solutions and hence we end up with the wrong answer.

Division by 0 is undefined for the reason you stated.
as is lim as x->0 of sin(1/x)
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Jun 17th 2011, 5:21:48

.999... = 1
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Jun 17th 2011, 6:51:46

1 = 2

It's an axiom, so don't worry about proof.
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Jun 17th 2011, 9:16:02

Martian - for taking the square root to be a well defined action, one must always come up with the same result if they do it twice. Taking the square root gives two different answers, which therefore makes it NOT well-defined.

When I said 'well defined' I was not referring to commonfolk speak, but the actual math term 'well defined'. See http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Well-Defined.html

The expression 'square root of negative one' is not well defined because it gets assigned the value 'i', but it can also be assigned the value '-i'.

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Jun 17th 2011, 14:45:58

well actually I'm not correctly applying the definition of sqrt.
but yes, the way I am applying it you would be correct.
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The moment you cross into complex analysis you can't use powers the same way either..
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