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Oct 29th 2019, 15:52:54

lol thats my post and i didnt realise pang had replied there

im pretty sure i made that thread as a suggestion after he posted the thread on AT saying hed booked time off to look into the matter

and there was talk on these forums about 3 sets ago by pang/qz about anti suiciding changes coming in, so i just assumed it was that getting done

i think it was either the set before laf warred when wed got suicided or when NM got suicided not sure which

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Oct 29th 2019, 20:25:31

before the 100 bots no defence sets there was 50 bots with defence sets

but everyone was still trading then

people probably forget that if bot farming become unviable we just go back to land trading again

and trading with dec war clan gdi and 2 day target switch is 100% viable

it might be a bit tricky early when you want to be doing 3 hits in a day and moving onto a new target, but that might be solved with starting a tad earlier turn banking and cs pumping until land gets big enough

any situation where landtrading becomes better than bot feeding again in my opinion is a bad thing, because with land trading you kind of need people doing as well as you are to trade with so it compresses competition a bit

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Oct 29th 2019, 20:27:22

ironically trading with clan gdi could become 100% safe with everyone just running enough defence to meet whatever the mmr's are it will mean networth matching wont be affected by running defence

previously you couldnt run defence as a trader particularly when you were in the land lead, except maybe some troops which you ended up psing anyway

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Nov 4th 2019, 3:33:02

Oct 21, 17:13
(#456) has withdrawn its offer for an intelligence alliance.

Oct 21, 17:12
(#456) has requested an intelligence alliance. You can accept or decline this offer on your Relations page.

was it this one he was allied to? at least one of them was sending pacts

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Nov 9th 2019, 2:02:23

kohhearts which country are you in? works with vpn to that country?

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Nov 9th 2019, 4:29:12

looks like 128 five tapped two actual players, that were obvious non bots

maybe he doesnt realise whos a bot and not though, but sol's website does have a good bot grabbing page so he should

i dont like that lord slayer was running untagged then chose to respond like this though, he could have easily tagged up in a 1 man tag

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Nov 13th 2019, 3:44:44

theres no way to make things only about this set

its always old stuff that gets brought up be it pact breaking or farming or anything else

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Nov 16th 2019, 4:31:20

Originally posted by Boltar:
Isn't it obvious. He's a sofer (sarcasm) just like 485 if it is who we think it is. Is a lafer (sarcasm)


didnt sof kill his original?

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Nov 16th 2019, 7:49:01

Originally posted by enshula:
Originally posted by Boltar:
Isn't it obvious. He's a sofer (sarcasm) just like 485 if it is who we think it is. Is a lafer (sarcasm)


didnt sof kill his original?


sof killed #514's original

2019-11-13 12:26:12 CM Validus (#90) SoF the mouse trap (#136) IR 84B 22 C

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Nov 16th 2019, 18:53:22

so i guess you can put inactives in 1 tag and have them only ps, then they dont have to worry as much about keeping stuff on market

who knows maybe decay even becomes semi viable

but its super clunky if everyone has to run multiple tags

what are the mmr's the same as bot defence or something like that?

maybe this is even viable super early and super late, maybe first and last week of set

pity all the clan websites arnt set up for multiple tags, and you mentioned something about wanting to use tags more for coordination too which would be wasted if we have to run multiple tags

i cant see anyway clan gdi would hurt finishes less than most suicides, even most suicides hurt less than just having to kill the country

there arnt all the restrictions about leaving clangdi anymore?
so we should have people run their own tags and switch it on and off to grab? everyone solo tagged? or run tags with unplayed countries that are the tag admins that dont get deleted like dibs?

still worried people will use not being in clangdi as an excuse to suicide on people who deserve it for not joining, or pretend to act that way anyway

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Nov 16th 2019, 18:57:28

not bad

will have some effect on some strats early, hurts tyranny more which i guess is ok since tyranny is pretty strong

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Nov 17th 2019, 6:54:02

20's news is really confusing but whats it got to with ps?

which country is the problematic one

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Nov 17th 2019, 7:12:20

so with 10%

for absolute full max gains you will require a lot more land than the person you are grabbing

requiring them to have a much higher nlg if that was the case, since suiciders never tend to have very low nlg it kind of puts a hard cap on damage per hit, though of course in this case instead of a bigger hammer the counter is of course more nails

would be interesting if the landtrading meta was still a thing, tyranny i think would become useless, unless you really wanted to save having to buy up to about 110% mstrat

with ps you wouldnt even have to match nw perfectly for max gains if hitting someone at your land, and the more mstrat you had the less you would have to match nw, ironically this would make balancing trades harder since youd have a lot of hits between about 100-120% of cap so youd have to move nw a lot to drop returns if you were trying to make a hit small

as to plain suiciders it wont mean a whole lot but its something, and will have a much more pronounced effect on second and third countries, could even be useful to nuke suiciders again, since the meta might shift from them wanting to drop more land than they are allowed to for tech/spal/stoppeoplegettinglandback to reducing damage they can do

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Nov 17th 2019, 7:17:34

cubans saying 20 put someone in DR who took land from postscript

but i cant find it

ok after realising ps/imag is a thing

2019-11-17 03:50:23 PS LaFs Walling Script MOD (#20) SoF Alpha Centauri (#15) iMagNum 9630A (10455A)
2019-11-17 03:45:55 SS Alpha Centauri (#15) iMagNum LaFs Walling Script MOD (#20) SoF DH

the worst thing that could be said about this is if imag was deliberately hitting non PS countries in order to let them retal validly instead of postscript, and a bit worse if it was more about benefiting sof by twostepping or a proxy war against postscript

but that seems unlikely

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Nov 17th 2019, 7:23:09

depending on how many hits postscript was going to do it cost #241 about 5-6k land

but 241 can only build so much land, already has to build 33k, probably has 200 ish bpt so maybe 165 turns to build already, and could get hit more

and grabbing more would make building the land he already grabbed more expensive too, up to 18k more each which would be 600m just on the 33k, and a bit more on the 5-6k

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Nov 18th 2019, 6:11:38

basically just a reminder that it would be nice to be able to stop anyone in (or recently in) from grabbing allies or people youd have to pay reps to

in light of recent suicides

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Nov 18th 2019, 19:07:27

well someone just playing set after set to suicide over past grudges is a bit worse than someone who suicides presumably out of frustration even if it was misplaced at least it was about something that happened this set, people probably arnt as worried about req doing it over and over again

not that either is good, but at least if we kept things about things actually happening relatively recently perhaps things would feel more meaningful

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Nov 18th 2019, 19:17:14

tmomo thats what i said, that req was over recent stuff
though there could be an argument some of it was still over old stuff sort of

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Nov 19th 2019, 14:21:20

should be able to see profiles of members in your tag maybe

and everyone perhaps should be able to see profiles of countries after the set ends

but real time profiles being open is maybe bad because it could lead to more targeted attacks, either in suiciding or war

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Nov 19th 2019, 16:59:18

is it possible to suicide the market?

although actually a few people already noted that previous suicides effected the market a lot, changing prices and land too

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Nov 19th 2019, 17:03:02

food being 85 for a day hardly means anything at this point, maybe they can keep it high for a while though

looks like it only got up to 60 average though, and some could be cycling

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Nov 19th 2019, 17:06:11

pretty poor reflection on the spammers if its less annoying to manually approve people than it is to delete posts

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Nov 20th 2019, 6:42:28

something happened to nukevil but i cant remember if it was for all the landkilling he was doing or something else

he killed maybe 200 countries via landkill at the start of sets which im sure led to a lot of people quitting which seems like a counter productive thing to do when your putting in effort to develop something

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Nov 20th 2019, 6:53:42

the last change where built was required was the nwghost landtrading, so i guess thats precedence for making grabbing require built

one potential problem with that is someone who is ab'd wont be able to grab much land back, but being ab'd can be a bit less bad than losing huge amounts of land to begin with

one of the previous suggestions is always to reduce restrictions based on being hit by a country

either 1 hit eliminates restriction, or 2 like express or a 48/72h retal period

but one im not sure has been mentioned would be a negative DR

so usually dr reduces gains starting from 2 hits up to 14 hits
what about inverting the formula

since currently its got a 10% min, and your proposing capped to 10% of what you have, it would work out to 100% of what you had after 12 or 14 hits were done to you buy a country

feels like an a fun solution to me from an elegance perspective

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Nov 20th 2019, 7:08:32

the current proposal is you can take 10% of

land buildings food tech oil cash

from the various ways of taking stuff, grabs, specials, spyops

but its possible for unprovoked aggressors to cripple a country enough in land/buildings that they would be very limited in getting anything back

less an issue in tag servers since someone else can retal, but its always preferable for a country to bounce back rather than giving someone else in a tag free land

so in solo servers assuming 2 equal countrys the aggressor could ss/ps>chem/ab>nuke

taking perhaps 30% land then cheming 30% buildings abing 30% buildings and nuking 30% acres just to pick a potential value

that leaves you with

70% land with 34% built that then becomes 49% land with 34% built which caps effective land taken back at 17%

if instead the current DR formula was inverted to increase the maximum taken % from 10% at 0-2 dr up to 100% at 14 dr assuming a significant enough attack (14 hits) it would be very hard for retals to not be able to get full returns

the negative DR could use either normal halflife or c:c halflife depending on how long you want it to last, or even full set if that was desired

the only downside to this is if warmongers want to use the 10% returns as a tool in war, bur if its only applied country:country it would still have an effect but if it was tag wide it wouldnt

so if you want to allow both possible you could make formal tag dec war remove the effect of negative dr

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Nov 20th 2019, 16:26:40

making it just apply country:country would make war more complex again

since as well as the 10% reduction there would be an exception on the reduction for the countries you hit or hit you

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Nov 23rd 2019, 18:46:55

i have countries open but profile closed, but everyone seems to know everyones countries this set anyway

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Nov 25th 2019, 17:05:44

thanks pang

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Nov 25th 2019, 17:17:47

yeah some restart changes would be nice

im fearful to see one or more of those stockstealing multiple suicide restarts then wishing the change had gone through but changes during a set are always controversial

would have been nice to have an ingame notification/announcement, maybe thats doable in the new UI

this actually already had a negative effect on me, its not huge but would have been nice to know

when it does come in things like only getting the restart bonus if you agree to be tag locked to the tag you died in and cant use vacation for 72 hours would be nice

and therefore no restart bonus to untagged

might need a workaround for countries people want to boot from their tag though

other restart changes though is it should be inverted, the more you wall the less you should get back, not more

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Nov 25th 2019, 17:28:19

theres a thing where you cant drop land under how much youve grabbed in the past maybe 72 hours

have you grabbed a whole lot compared to your current land?

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Nov 26th 2019, 7:23:45

its live on alliance already, it has already effected people before people knew it had happened

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Nov 27th 2019, 10:34:54

thanks for the message pang, i didnt know you could do that either :)

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Nov 27th 2019, 10:43:25

pang has been talking about no killing at all in the past

actually i think that was qz

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Nov 27th 2019, 15:30:12

milla makes a good point on GS vs BR

gs was already a lot stronger and used more frequently than BR, this might make that worse, but theres probably a better way to change that with CD or something else

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Dec 6th 2019, 13:33:14

the only problem with removing br is it makes spal and cd even stronger if everyones only buying troops not turrets

might be ok with a cd nerf though

at least leaving it there useless might make people go only 3:1 troops to turrets or something

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Dec 6th 2019, 13:55:29

you guys going to agree to fight for TNW for the last few days?

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Dec 8th 2019, 21:43:04

i lost more nw killing the suiciders than what i did getting suicided

its crazy expensive having to kill countries, at least next set with no restart bonuses they will need a while to be able to suicide again

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Dec 9th 2019, 6:19:29

why shouldnt you be able to get 70m

the bots finish something like 40m not even optimised for nw

nw's are never going to be the same as when there were 57 turns a day obviously

a set used to be 3400 turns now its 5k

but that hurts war more than netting because theres so many turns in a FS most wars are over almost instantly

thats been hidden a bit by how overpowered restarts are making some wars stagnate for the whole set

the way wars used to equalise was you always got max pop kill hitting 110% of your nw or higher so eventually the losing side tended to equalise at about 1/3 of nw when it took way more turns to kill them

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Dec 10th 2019, 19:35:32

its not a horrible idea, also could let people join on the forum or profile or something then roll over from one set to the next if they want to

half the point of tags is so people dont get farmed instead of bots though, so bots should either be untagged or in their own tag

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Dec 11th 2019, 0:01:13

tnw: laf
anw: nm

1 enshula
2 zorp
3 cyref??? nm
4 gerdler
5 cloaked
6 lightbringer
7 en4cer
8 ??? omega
9 relax
10 rokkie

t100
30 laf
11 monsters
10 sof
6 imag
6 evo
4 paradigm
4 ps
3 omega
3 mercs
2 sol
2 elders
2 rage
1 pan
1 hero
1 gnv

6 bots - rank 89 highest
6 solo tags
2 untagged players

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Dec 11th 2019, 0:34:42

well you were in lcn bug isnt it just taken for granted

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Dec 12th 2019, 10:45:27

well i was probably the least suicided laf netter

gerdler probably would have beaten me in an even set, and maybe 1 more

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Dec 14th 2019, 15:59:15

tories won by enough they dont need DUP votes anymore

so at least thats simpler, they can just screw NI if they want to

or they can go with the fake no border border thing where somehow goods going into NI arnt inspected across the channel but goods going to IRE are

or somehow have customs that arnt actually on the border but maybe ~20k in so they screw over less people and dont have to have military on the border

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Dec 15th 2019, 11:54:17

preferential/ranked choice/single transferable vote
basically forces you to choose who you dont want to be elected in a 3+ way contest

but you quite often get really low primary vote parties winning elections, maybe 35% is the lowest it got in australia

if you want to have proportional representation you need to have larger electrorates with more seats, the only one im familiar with in the lower chamber is hare-clark in tasmania and ACT, sounds like ireland and malta are the only 2 at national level who do it, maybe theres a lot more in the second/upper chamber

one way to do it is have 2 chambers, one where you pick the single most popular candidate by some method for a small geographical region, then the other where you take a much bigger region, potentially the whole country and let in minority views

uk is weird with the house of lords though and i dont understand it, about 800 eligible with 400 normally showing up, and not even room for all of them

i dont know a lot about mixed member and added member, but maybe countries just give out virtual seats to make things 'fairer' to parties that get a lot less seats than votes in the main house

i recall something about minimum percentages to get the bonus seats in eu elections too

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Dec 15th 2019, 16:07:28

it increases tyr/dict in some circumstances as well in comparison to others

and it puts much more skill into grabbing, because now people make bad grabs so you have to avoid doing that

this was the first grabber of the set who made very bad hits:

SS Dark Demon Rasp Derrick (#292) [HACKS] --> War Promises and Roses (#114) [] -- 26A/32A
SS Dark Demon Rasp Derrick (#292) [HACKS] --> War Promises and Roses (#114) [] -- 22A/28A
SS Dark Demon Rasp Derrick (#292) [HACKS] --> War Promises and Roses (#114) [] -- 20A/26A
SS Dark Demon Rasp Derrick (#292) [HACKS] --> War Promises and Roses (#114) [] -- 16A/21A
SS Dark Demon Rasp Derrick (#292) [HACKS] --> War Promises and Roses (#114) [] -- 13A/17A

then this one was sort of worse in a way since he did 2 ps for not much more than the first:

SS MJ Bitlestalk (#50) [STONES] --> Dementia Darkmoon (#367) [] -- 18A/24A
PS MJ Bitlestalk (#50) [STONES] --> Nervous Jupiter (#158) [] -- 28A/39A
PS MJ Bitlestalk (#50) [STONES] --> Nervous Jupiter (#158) [] -- 27A/38A

this one might be you chevs, i dunno but similar to what your talking about
one very bad grab to start then 5 ps at the end but you can see they are all dropping in returns so the limits wernt actually effecting them except maybe the first hit

SS m0m0 (#351) [SoF] --> Salty Walker Blackstroke (#185) [] -- 16A/24A
SS m0m0 (#351) [SoF] --> Serious Smoke (#278) [] -- 57A/73A
SS m0m0 (#351) [SoF] --> Serious Smoke (#278) [] -- 47A/62A
PS m0m0 (#351) [SoF] --> Rider Count Lord (#345) [] -- 90A/106A
PS m0m0 (#351) [SoF] --> Rider Count Lord (#345) [] -- 70A/87A
PS m0m0 (#351) [SoF] --> Rider Count Lord (#345) [] -- 59A/76A
PS m0m0 (#351) [SoF] --> Bryce Rakshasas (#313) [] -- 57A/78A
PS m0m0 (#351) [SoF] --> Bryce Rakshasas (#313) [] -- 52A/73A

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Dec 16th 2019, 2:55:28

i vote below the line because i like to vote in reverse order because of preference exhaustion/dilution

so say im voting for major party 1

then i vote their last candidate first and their first canditate last so that instead of each filled quota making my vote count less i skip to the one which turns into the next party i choose

also i like to start voting for the parties i like the least first its more fun so actually start at 60 then 59 and so on, its the ones near the middle when i dont really know who they are thats hard, its usually easy to pick which far right/left/both parties you want to put last

especially since a lot of parties were set up as preference funnels for other parties, but it got harder to run parties without real members