I think this means LCN confirms it

I think they were more like 700MB

but I did start with 5.25" floppies... ;)

pdfs

Look I just had to spend 14 minutes grabbing and there wasn't even 20 targets with zero DR's and all my jets keep disappearing SO unfair

I forgot Theo Casher requires obsessive playing of turns and optimal grabbing. should have played allx CI

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This new ClanGDI sounds super effective!

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Your cookie is in the post :D

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You have played 131 rounds of a game that you aren't even trying to win. Impressive.

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^^^YES

I think that because, rightly or wrongly, this was originally desiged as a war game.... "Command your country's military to attack and defend against your enemies. Execute attack strategies to relieve opponents of their resources and land." etc

If the 60% prefer war stat is right, that would play into that. But they are fake wars, and also formulaic.

I like the safe netting meta. I think it takes time, commitment patience, skill. I don't like how a rando suicider with an awful half assed country can do what seems like outsize damage with very little effort. That's the imbalance I see, which I think is just a part of how the game mechanics are set up. Kind of cool that the little guy gets to kick back hard, but that has its downsides.

What exactly is it that people are trying get rid of? I think if it's "suiciders" then that needs some clarification. I think that words has become so played out that even the slightest retaliation is "suiciding" because, generally anyone that does anything thesedays would get stomped.

The only reason that works is because there are so few people that do fight back that it's easy enough to put them in their place. Thats why humans dont do it, there aren't enough of them.

Imagine e.g the current 350 bots where a third of them are just nutso - over 100 "suiciders" and 200 not so obviously so but still aren't pushovers. Now there is a new dynamic, grab bot that fights back and you (and your clan) are gone have to make a call as to whether or not to let it slide or commit resources. Multiply that by 10 pro 100 depending on how unlucky you get in your bot selection. The bots will lose eventually, because the server will eventually prevail, but in doing so it's perturbing the usual log in farm DR's optimally play turns/stock meta.

I dunno what would would happen but it would certainly be different!

I think AI server is a bit of a misnomer. It's just a bot server. Perhaps others have the chops to actually imbue real AI, but the stuff I wrote was very much if/then/else

https://www.earthempires.com/forum/post/1021616/perm

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Oct 6th 2023, 21:29:53
Originally posted by Gerdler:
I didnt care much for bots retalling as its so easy for a dev to turn that on and then leave without fine tuning it so that they dont act in a way entirely detrimental to the player base.


Bots going haywire and attacking/"warring", going all Skynet on us players. Now that is something that would get me motivated! DIE BOTS DIE

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Couple years back when I played on AI I knocked up some bots that basically walked the top 10 every reset. all it took was a semi sane startup, taking advantage of arbitration's a result of dumb bot choices wrt market, and not doing the same dumb bot things myself. Throw in a bit of endgame de-stock logic and they did surprisingly good for the amount of effort I put it.

Without attacks it was kind of stale though.

I understand they have since been added, im not sure I have the impetus to revisit - need that lottery win ;) - but I think the main point im making is that AI servers are basically a mirror of what goes on on the human servers. Aside from wars and the odd suicider, the majority of the game tends to be towards optimising the netting, now (it seems) with the inclusion of additional methods of boosting. (No reason AI couldn't do that either, assuming FA has been implemented - even without some timed farming with zero def would work).

The truth is the game is pretty formulaic, and mostly predictable. So the think that stuck out most for me in what prime said (skynet!), is that if your bots could retal (which I think they can now), then you have a lot more scope for bots having varying degrees of personality from sane to crazy. This would fill the void left by the fact that nobody really has in game personality anymore. It's all been "optimised" out. Nobody attacks anyone because everyone has seen war-games. Which ironically, has made this into a non-war-game!

Coding formulaic bots was trivial, coding true "AI" bots with faux emotion. That sounds lie more fun. You know how it goes in tourney, a single grab from a big guy, might be worth letting it go but it leaves a mark. Another grab, then that player feels shoved a bit more. Now you are weighing the 'do I care more about my finish than I do about taking revenge". A simple example but something you could easily model as a basic personality trait in a bot. You only need a few other simple rules along these lines, for some more complex behaviours to emerge. Perhaps bots that were allies, might see attacks on their friends as something that proves them into action (or at least increments a counter, that might eventually cross a threshold). Failed ops, what are they up to, should I attack preemptively. Am I big relative to another company, does it lookliek I might get away with a grab on them...

Randomise the behavioural thresholds, randomise the degree to which bots 'feelings' are moved by certain actions. You've essentially created (albeit somewhat simplistic) human-like players - at least in so much as my experience of having played tourney over the years.

Throw 350 of those into alliance and you have a very different game dynamic. Being the best netter is no longer about logging in, farming bots without recourse, optimising playing turns by following a formula. It becomes also about assessing risk/reward - paying attention to behaviour of bots, actually having to considered what constitutes reasonable defence.

Maybe i'm just dreaming and maybe this is way outside of people's comfort zone, but after a couple years away, I come back and all I see is same old same old.

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How dare you I am a casher ;)

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> Nov 21st 2023, 0:52:08
> Yeah I think the whole idea was the great wars of 100s again in 2025. Not that all these folks would come back for nostalgia purposes and like....treehug. It's not realistic anymore. No one is gonna come back for nostalgia purposes to learn the FFO farming 350k bot acres and oil/hybrid destocking meta. That is simply for diehard current netters only, and while it might pique the curiosity of a handful, simply won't appeal to the masses.

Maybe I already am! :)

Hello :D

I moved on to other things (Rocket League addiction), but here is the repo I was working on...

https://github.com/sgbett/ee_npc/tree/strategy

Dude, my account totally got hacked! I'm a pansy netgainer! ;)

Thanks everyone, hopefully I'll find my way back some day.

Checking our for a while, thanks for this new set of earth memories. Surprised I lasted as long as I did, a testament to how entertaining y'all are :D

Might be back in a few years, got some stuff to do!

Lots of Love
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A/S/L?

Confirmed

If I had not been RoR'd, played all my turns, grabbed properly and remembered to destock I'd have beat you by 200m nw!

10/10(/20) quality fluffpost

I agree... If you know what's what... most people are going to get crushed as the SEC continues to burn things...

When they eventually come for BTC, it's going to be a massacre!

If anyone had any real beef with the game. *and* they had actual talent. They could still "suicide" effectively, but its not really sustainable - in terms of trying to RP a repuation. Thats what I like best about the changeset. It nerfed flufftalkers.

Spooge would have did just fine under the new rules (which is why we did it how we did it). Another crew could easily turn up like we did and wreck netters (inc. me - im one of those no def suckers too now!) but at least they would have to put in the effort to cause *real* damage.

For me thats what changed the game. Before: "almost 0 effort could wreck anyone", After: "In order to truly hurt the top guys, you have to be one of the top guys"

Flap flap flap around the details, but thats the nub of it and I think things are general better as a result.

I dont know who anyone is.

Xyle is #13

Poll is dumb "too much drama not enough suiciding just enough greifing" isn't an option

I did tyr casher in express too. It's horrible.

lol :)

I have no idea how I did it, I was just kind on autopilot (I try and spend as little time as possible grabbing!) but the absolute millisecond I did it I realised what I had done.

Im sure thats not the only thing I'm doing wrong, for some reason I haven't been able to get rolling. Dunno what I did differently last set :/

what's it called when you accidentally all your jets on private instead of bushels? :D

You need more turrets! ;p

But yeah. Sucky timing.

I can state categorically that if anyone turns up at my hose with a bottle of Jack then we are all good :D

Oh dem teachers all be trying to sell their tech now, well I got news. FU. I already bought your overpriced crap early on and I refuse to buy any more!

https://youtu.be/unwjb5a7CoE?t=3

You really could. Its a magnificent fluffup! :)

I said my jets, not my turrets. I still have literally 100s of those!

I just accidentally all my jets on private, which probably extrapolates to about 200m NW so fluff this reset.

understood it to mean that sometimes retaling with a grab is not strictly economically viable, e.g a commie can retal anyone early on. someone else might have to build up to retal - they might strictly be better (end NW wise) sucking up the hit.

(then goes on to talk about always recalling one way or another, perhaps alluding to notion that its not always about pure numbers but also about "diplomatic relations" going forwards!)

To add to gerdler post... https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-35331/v1

best GNR song is Estranged and I will die on that hill

Its worse than I thought!

https://www.gurufocus.com/shiller-PE.php

Rough set to go casher!

I know what you mean - though having held through several dumps now (2008 was fun as it was my first!) it seems to me that it always ends up back where it was and usually higher!

I can see the value in accumulating dry powder though, always nice to scoop up bargains! :)

yeah with stonks so pumped up right now any correction is going to be felt less in the big corps. TSLA is super hot potato. Would not buy, but can't bring myself to exit totally.

not sure I like that dividend tax! Fortunately all my dealings are done within the SIPP wrapper so no tax on profits (it will be taxed as income when I draw down on it in retirement)