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Oct 11th 2011, 0:19:53

Originally posted by Dibs Ludicrous:
it's bullfluff anyway. people are pissed that the economy tanked and are looking for scapegoats to hang. same as they always do.


I might agree with this more than just about anything you've ever posted Dibs.

The shiesty ethics of Wall St. are only an issue now that things are bad. Nobody batted an eye in the 50 years prior when they created untold wealth and prosperity.

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Oct 11th 2011, 0:17:31

compensation, blid

If their balls had dropped yet, they'd look for a fight instead of a massacre. If you don't join GDI, you are running at your own risk. In the same breath, if the best you can do is pick on a netter to try and feel tough, you won't have my ear for your thoughts on how this game should work.

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Oct 11th 2011, 0:15:41

shoot me a pm with what you need - I can probably help

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Oct 11th 2011, 0:07:36

I like now3p better - demon is fine, but there have been a few of those around through the years....never another now3p though.

I think if you google it, the only results that come up are from Earth and Earth related sites, so I stick with it.

Don't feel bad, only a dozen or so folks really ever knew what it went from the last 10 yrs or so before fordie went and splooged it all over the thread here...

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Oct 11th 2011, 0:05:06

I remember that name...

how many personalities you bringing back with you? We need more players around here.

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Oct 11th 2011, 0:00:58

Gore - impossible to say. Probably. But automobiles would have (and did) happened without Henry Ford - doesn't make his contribution to them any less important or course altering. Again, he never took responsibility for its existence - only for sitting on the committee that made an incredibly important decision regarding its use.

Jobs - absolutely not....or at least not for another decade. His thinking and understanding of technology was years ahead of it's time. He was a true innovator, and moved the world of technology a great distance in a short time. I would put him (rather high, although not at the top) on the list of 10 most important individuals in regards to impacting technology in the last 50 years.

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Oct 10th 2011, 23:57:45

I have not seen any significant result from these protests yet. No policy reviews, no Congressional inquiries, no changes in approach.

I am fine with raising public awareness and sparking conversation - I just don't think they're helping their cause by tooting their horns that they've accomplished anything more than that. The only ones that will gain any respect from me are the ones that move forward from this point to affect the change - not just talk about it needing to happen or waving another sign around.

So far, I haven't seen anyone do that.

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Oct 9th 2011, 23:48:50

Imagine a mole coming out of it's hole with a Susan Boyle hair-do.

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Oct 9th 2011, 23:45:17

ha ha - I forgot about pewon! Haven't seen that in ages! Morwen used to call me that..although it coulda been because she just didn't know how to spell peon. Still not sure on that one.

fordie just likes to bluster and bellow a little bit - once he gets it out of his system, he's a pretty nice guy.

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Oct 9th 2011, 23:31:50

Yes and no on the technology. All they really got right was the concept of machines communicating with machines over distance. The initial technology was too small in scope, lacked understanding of technology, and didn't have enough of a scientific knowledge of the dynamics of signal transfer to ever have worked out.

So far as the HIC committee, understand that that committee was probably 6-8 people, and was really a think tank environment for proposing conceptual ideas (which was something Gore chased fervently in his early Congressional years). It was really an innovative idea, although I doubt there will ever be any way of knowing how related to it he was. I honestly don't think he ever tried to take credit for the advancement - it was his service on that committee he was proud of, not the results of it.

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Oct 9th 2011, 22:43:02

DARPA net was previously ARPANET, which originated as RAND net in 1958 under a contract with the US Air Force in an effort to investigate maintaining their command and control structure after nuclear attack. It did not become DARPA net (the structure we know know today as the internet, including TCP/IP protocol) until the early to mid 70's (1972-1976, Depending on whose version you believe, I tend to go with when the money began to flow directly from congress instead of just the DoD, which was 1972) when it was renamed DARPA net.

ARPANET was the extension of the research project that was initialized in the 1950's as a packet switching communication tool research project, but this project never really achieved any sort of sustainable/extensible results, and thus isn't really given credit with the "invention" of the internet...although they certainly did pave the way. It could send 8 bit information from terminal to terminal via NCP protocol over short distances only, and was not reliable enough to be a communications tool at the time. Although this is, in the absolute strictest sense, the first internet communication, it did not get taken to the next level for computer to computer communication until the early 70's when DARPA took it over and began applying it to broader military applications in the mid-70's....which was directed and funded by a congressional sub-committee (House Intelligence Committee) which Al Gore was a member of from 1976 to 1980. He was sitting on the committee in 1978 when DARPA was directed to research the implementation of TCP/IP protocols for government and business use, and received the funding from the committee to make it happen.

The infamous quote "I invented the internet" was a falsification by a tabloid based on a comment made in a television interview during the presidential elections in which he was asked what some of his most significant achievements were while sitting in Congress - the original quote was along the lines that he sat on the committee that made the decision to make the internet a much more powerful tool than simply an internet communication device, and spread it beyond the realm of the DoD.

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Oct 9th 2011, 22:17:27

Always are around here. And of course, they NEVER coordinate through anything but in-game tools to do it either...

I'd love to see some folks' balls drop and learn to fight one on one with folks actually looking for a fight, but I've kinda given up on that as just another pipe dream...

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Oct 9th 2011, 22:15:32

I saw a naked Lord Slayer. Danger wasn't the first thing that popped to mind....

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Oct 9th 2011, 22:12:23

It's pronounced kebert xela (ha! Schuck it Trebek!)

I don't think there's any one way to pronounce my nick - I've seen NOW, now, nowie, now-ep, now-erp, 3P, C-3P0 etc etc....but yeah, fordie's right on the hidden nick. It's always funny to see people who have seen it a hundred times figure out what it really means for the first time since it's apparently not incredibly obvious. :-D

Whatever you come up with though, I've been called worse, so have at it. :-)

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Oct 9th 2011, 22:04:19

Folks have been saying that one person is too insignificant to make a difference in the world around them for centuries. So far as empirical data goes, I think a short list of people who would disagree with that ideal is probably about as compelling of evidence as you can ask for....

Gandhi

Mother Theresa

Martin Luther King Jr.

Booker T. Washington

Nelson Mandela

Bob Geldoff

Save 1, all have had their affect on the world in the last 50 years. None of them came from significant means or used monetary persuasion/funding as their primary means of achieving their goals. None were supported by corporate funding. All found a way to make a significant difference in the world around them and gain support of others through grass roots efforts. Bob Geldoff may be the one exception to that rule, as he was significantly wealthy by the time he began his philanthropic efforts...but profits from his efforts go directly to charities, and in many cases artists donate their services in lieu of being paid.

Truth be told, I think we've just grown complacent and lazy, and most folks find it easier to wave a sign than actually take action or come up with a viable alternative.

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Oct 9th 2011, 21:55:39

The only problem with that approach is that you then have $xx,xxx in an account that is not earning you any money. If you're liquid enough to have that kind of money sitting around, you are going to want to make that money work for you. Direct expense wise it's probably cheaper than paying for insurance, but I'm not so sure about long term cost.

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Oct 9th 2011, 21:53:34

Al Gore was on the congressional committee that gave DARPA the direction and funding to create DARPAnet...

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Oct 9th 2011, 1:01:29

That's not what I'm referring to KoH. I stand by that statement.

It's the circular logic the "If you don't want to get killed, join GDI" camp uses to justify acting like douches that irks me.

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Oct 9th 2011, 0:57:35

o.0

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Oct 9th 2011, 0:57:10

Garbage - go Western Digital

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Oct 8th 2011, 23:53:06

"The 99%" and Occupy Wall Street would be much more impressive to me if they actually offered achievable alternatives instead of just complaining about the current situation.

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Oct 8th 2011, 23:50:17

with galli, I think spawn might be a better term :-)

If spawn had a baby, would it be spawn's spawn?

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Oct 8th 2011, 7:30:55

either way, he will kick the fluff outta your shins if you don't play nice!

I thought it was vertically challenged now-a-days? Something or other about not wanting to offend real people with the term little people?

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Oct 8th 2011, 7:26:57

Originally posted by Fatty:
Never seen a schnmuck in this game.



need a mirror?

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Oct 8th 2011, 7:26:24

spins around in circles watching the logic in this thread...

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Oct 8th 2011, 7:24:42

I don't disagree by any means. But in my experience power corrupts, and might brings power....so it's really just an endless cycle of douchebaggery.

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Oct 7th 2011, 23:46:01

We all touch the world in our own way, I guess. The few have been ruining it for the many for centuries...I doubt that will change any time soon. Like it or not, right is defined by might.

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Oct 7th 2011, 23:37:02

Yes braden. I also hold you personally responsible for the death of the 429 and 454 V8.

My grandparents really were awesome. Only 1 left, but they were Americana when that was still a good thing.

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Oct 7th 2011, 7:14:59

Yes - and those countries should likely be deleted too, assuming there was out of game coordination and not just random folks who read this thread and decided to have a little giggle at his expense.....I can't say the thought didn't cross my mind as well when he posted his country #.

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Oct 7th 2011, 7:13:20

The only "experiments" going on in WoG/FBI involve SuperFly, Pain, 3 industrial size tubs of cottage cheese, a ball gag, a bushel of cucumbers, and a shaved midget locked in a travel trunk.

we would appreciate if speculation was left to these items.

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Oct 7th 2011, 7:09:25

Meh - and here I sit in a 2 man tag :-P

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Oct 7th 2011, 7:06:10

Originally posted by Cerberus:
I'm not entirely sure anyone supports your "capacity" to post on the forums, but I'm sure everyone supports your "right/privilege" to do so*.


*as long as you post within forum guidelines.


Fixed that up for ya Cerb.

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Oct 7th 2011, 7:04:48

Problem is, if you throw the bums out you're just left with the rats....

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Oct 7th 2011, 7:03:40

I've never had a problem paying providers with currency. Nobody pays cash for anything these days, but I have never had a problem using a personal or notarized check (depending on the amount), or even a debit card in a lot of cases. Since my son has required special medical attention since the day he was born, I'd say I've been through more providers than the average person too, so I'm not sure where your conclusion comes from Cerb.

To add to what fordie said, my current (absolutely minimal) liability insurance is $10k property damage, $60k personal injury, $50k uninsured motorist liability. This costs me $110/month for 2 vehicles, which I am happy to pay vs. tying up $60,000 worth of funds into an essentially frozen acct.

So far as mass transit in rural areas - it's improving by leaps and bounds, at least in MN. The Metro Line is scheduled to hit a town 90 miles from the Twin Cities with a population of about 8,000 by late 2012, and bus lines are going as far out as towns 60 miles away, some with populations under 5,000 people. Granted, there's not a bus coming every 4 minutes, but then again that's not really needed that far out.

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Oct 7th 2011, 6:47:05

Ok....it was more like 3 1/2 days :-P

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Oct 7th 2011, 4:20:37

I can't say I'm necessarily against the idea, other than the fact that it is a pretty blatant violation of the server's rules and spirit.

I get the whole vigilante justice instinct...but this server is not the place for that type of thing. It sucks that hapless netters get picked on but this is, and should remain, an individual play server.

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Oct 7th 2011, 4:16:10

Originally posted by braden:
"Al Gore was on the Congressional committee that approved the funding"

then the people who voted al gore into congress to put him on the congressional committee that approved the funding created the internet. welcome to democracy?


Hell, if you want to go with the degrees of separation argument, my grandparents gave birth to the folks who voted him into Congress which put him on the Congressional committee that approved the funding to create the internet, so THEY get credit too.

In the same vein, my parents bought an Apple IIe 25 years ago, so they are directly responsible for computers being in nearly every home in America today.

Also, a butterfly farted in the Amazon 3 days ago, and the resulting string of events caused me to have 17 beers this evening, so I blame the butterfly for getting me drunk.

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Oct 7th 2011, 3:28:00

From a completely different point of view, terror and watertowers are correct.

Throwing money/food/water at the problems in Africa are only a band-aid solution, at best. I don't say this because people have children they can't care for - procreation is a natural instinct, and a tool for preserving societies. I say this because there are much deeper problems that need to be solved in many countries in Africa before that food/water/money will ever begin to do even the slightest bit of good to solve the crisis they are currently facing. Unfortunately, Steve Jobs was not capable of doing anything about these problems.

I'm not saying it's a BAD thing to send your pennies a day to help a starving child in Africa - life is life, and as a global community I think it's our duty to do what we can to protect it, especially life that can't protect itself - but until several other issues (infrastructure, corruption, lack of tax collection ability, lack of procedural standards, non-existent ability to enforce decisions of the judiciary, etc) are addressed, that food is nothing but a stop gap and only serves to create an unnatural reliance in lieu of addressing the issues internally.


I think you should really check out some information on Jobs before jumping to conclusions like that braden, because you're wildly off base regarding his view of the world and why he did what he did. You should also check out a few of the following articles:

http://www.forbes.com/...charitable-contributions/

http://answers.google.com/...wers/threadview?id=273603

http://thenewamerican.com/...ons-he-gave-at-the-office

So he's not Warren Buffet. I don't know of any law that says he has to give away what he worked so hard to earn to be considered a brilliant innovator that changed the world around him for the better.

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Oct 7th 2011, 3:11:22

re: Al Gore/Internet

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

In short, yes DARPA is completely responsible for the technological advancements in computer to computer communication via signal relay, Al Gore was on the Congressional committee that approved the funding and made the legislation that made it possible. He never did actually claim to invent the internet - this was taken out of context from a somewhat self-serving (and then misinterpreted) statement on the topic made by a vice presidential candidate, as referenced in the article.

braden - yes. Sorry, I wrote that in a big hurry on the way out the door to a late meeting and didn't re-read what I wrote. I meant Guttenberg's invention of the type set printing press, and several type set standards/methods.

Asia did have writing before Mesopotamia, but as I understand it (and please note this is ONLY as I understand it - there is no research done here, just some memory of ancient history in college) it was very loosely defined and not at all standardized on any more than a tribal level. They get credit for initially referring a specific character to a specific idea/thought/thing, but I think Mesopotamia gets credit for making it an actual cultural tool.

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Oct 7th 2011, 0:11:57

I would agree - I think the events themselves are much more important than the dates they happened on.

Some important ones that I can think of just off the top of my head


- Recent History -
Jonas Salk's invention of the Polio vaccine.

Lister's invention of antiseptics

Black Hand assassination of Arch Duke Ferdinand

Brown's invention of the internal combustion engine

- Semi-Recent History -
Guttenberg, printing press, etc

Edict of Milan



- Ancient History -
Pax Romana (clear example of why dates are not adequate to express importance)

Egyptian Legal Codes

Mesopotamian invention of writing

Mesopotamian invention of base 60

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Oct 7th 2011, 0:04:20

I don't think his death was shocking at all. He had terminal cancer - that's kinda just the expected result of such a thing. Sad? Yes. Shocking? Definitely not.

I think Jobs was responsible for a different sort of charity - I have no idea if it's better, worse, or just equivalent to donations - he invested in companies that nobody else believed in at the time, and took them on to great heights. Pixar, for example, would never have gotten off the ground were it not for Jobs.

All I know is that the world lost a great innovator in Steve Jobs. I can almost guarantee that not one reader of these forums can look around themselves right now without seeing a piece of technology that he was directly responsible for.

In regards to Apple, Jobs was largely removed from Apple for the last several years following his diagnosis. I'm sure he still had some creative input, but a lot of reports from both inside and outside of Apple put his time commitment at less than 10% since he was diagnosed. The big question will be how Apple's stock will survive the perceived weakness at Apple.


I still hate Fanboys though.

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Oct 5th 2011, 4:29:33

Don't worry SF - I've always considered DNH to be more of a suggestion than an edict :-)

*runs*

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Oct 5th 2011, 4:25:14

Net or Die, I believe. I didn't get into an "established" clan until I went to play in NA.

Marco - I suggest rethinking your approach to the coming set. I really do believe that your other post could be deemed worthy of a deletion based on past precedent.

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Oct 5th 2011, 4:23:38

As much as I hate to say it, because the idea is so initially appealing, this is not much better than the little ass bandits that are organizing on a certain clan site every reset to kill randomly or for minimal transgressions.

This is an individual server folks.

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Oct 5th 2011, 4:20:37

spell check rulez

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Oct 5th 2011, 1:37:40

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