Its too bad Qzjul doesn't use his God like powers to muzzle you.

Here is an idea to fix the game. Drop Clan GDI, we kill LaF, and all the honourable rule abiding players there, like SilentWolf, Mac23 and Whynot to name a few of those I think of as friends, you guys join the respected netting clans that are here like Evo and Omega. Or even demote Gerdler, Gainsboro and Turtle Crawler to recruits and make Mac23 leader. Then maybe we can negotiate again.

Then, we form pacts that don't penalize us for recruiting new people who might fluff up, and we come up with a strategy to retain all the people who visit here every set and try the game out. We can follow the terms of our pact that we agreed on at the end of last set and work towards a better rapport, less hate, and making the game more enjoyable.

And we can leave the game the way its always been and keep the conflict and drama, with a bit less hate.

wtg. If and when Clan GDI gets dropped, you will die.

Thanks for keeping EEstats going for all these years Bore. It's an essential part of Earth Empires and I use it just about every day. It's a huge loss to the game. I really hope that whoever owns this game will buy your server and keep it going. I don't know how the game will survive without eestats.com.

I was simply quoting this line from our copy of the FDP with LaF that we agreed to every set going back several years in our records:

"----------Reparations Policy----------
-Standard reps formula is: ((75*number of week into the reset)*(lost acres*1.2)). Units are in tanks.
-200% Land:Land negates any lost production payable, as future production will be more. Special cases may still be discussed between representatives from both alliances."

Good morning TC. I love the smell of napalm in the morning, don't you?

The great escape clause for LaF is this:

- Alliances are required to assist in war if requested within 48 hours, unless relations with the target are, uNAP, LDP, or FDP.

By having a pact with all of us over the last few years, Mercs, SoF and SoL, LaF was able to avoid ever backing anyone up, even though our pact was called a "Full Defense Pact". Its a sham, with no obligation to be our friends and allies at all.

This is the pact we have written down that was renewed every set until the set ending Dec 12, 2022.

OMG, Weezy has killed the game with a clerical error!

allbymyself

Edit Post 2/16/2022 5:56:55 PM
LaF (signed with Gainsboro)

Full Defensive Pact (FDP)

No attacks of any type shall be exchanged for any reason.
No Foreign Aid shall be sent to an enemy during times of war, if its done 150% reps required.
----------Retaliation Policy----------
-100% Land:Land On all grabs; Retals end upon a Defense Held
-1:1 On all DHs (or reps if the damage is extreme or late in the set)
-3:1 On all specials (or reps if the damage is extreme or late in the set)
-Compounding 2:1 or 150% Land:Land On Retal on Retal or Over Retal (Whichever is more); Retals end upon a Defense Held with a minimum of 2:1 taken
-1:1 On Declaration of War, if and only if an attack is made while the declaration is in place.
-Unlimited Retaliations and/or Killing of the offending country may be discussed anytime after the 4th attack of any kind in a 24 hour period.
- During war times, any landgrab is retalled 1:1, or standard reps are sent, defenders choice or discusses by FR's.
- Specialized attacks, GS, BR, AB, missiles, and damaging spy ops are retalled 2:1 minimum or discusses by FR's.

----------Retaliation Time Window Policy----------
-FR contact is required for all attacks in a 24 hour period.
-The window during which retals will be performed shall be 48 hours from the time of the hit or after FR contact if required, unless otherwise agreed to by FR's

----------Responsibility Policy----------
- Countries may only perform 1 retal for hits that were incurred while untagged regardless of the number of hits received
- Alliances are responsible for a country's actions for 72 hours+Time in Vacation after it leaves the tag; Vacation is not counted toward the 72 hour responsibility time
- Alliances are required to assist in war if requested within 48 hours, unless relations with the target are, uNAP, LDP, or FDP.

----------Reparations Policy----------
-Standard reps formula is: ((75*number of week into the reset)*(lost acres*1.2)). Units are in tanks.
-200% Land:Land negates any lost production payable, as future production will be more. Special cases may still be discussed between representatives from both alliances.
-During times of war or 6 hour period of joining the allied tag reparations may be discussed in place of retaliations
-Alliances are responsible for compensation of lost production/future stockpile generation on losses greater than 2000 acres/buildings per individual country. Damages are to be repaid in the form of bushels and cash only. This clause only takes effect after the 1100th turn has been played by the defender. This clause only applies in cases where defending countries exceed 13,000 acres prior to the attack(s).

----------Good Competition and Practices Policy----------
-Any country found grabbing a country detagged within 24 hours of said country's alliance will be open for grabbing at a 30% L:L retal rate; Any attempt to add DR to detagging country before or after detag within 72 hours before detag will extend the timeframe to compensate DR time.
-Behaviour that displaces a country that will finish in the t10 by market manipulation (buyouts), direct foreign aid, tech leeches, or offensive leeches should be refrained from.
-24 hours notice of any tag change, or addition, notification must be via whatsapp, or email, and have a response back confirming.
-If a SoL country tag jumps into an alliance that you are at war with, SoL will kill it. If a country from your tag jumps into an alliance SoL is at war with, you will kill it.
----------Notes----------
*prices and formula are subject to change as game mechanic changes are announced.

Time for bed here in Atlantic Canada. You can ping me with a nuke to wake me up if you want some more interaction tonight.

Alcohol is a crutch. (And Jack Daniels is a wheelchair; Robin Williams)

You don't want to stand for being beaten in a war in a wargame and want to cry to Qzjul for protection? You are the child. How many people have LaF driven out of the game? Do you think anybody really cares if you quit in your little fit of pique?

We offered LaF a fair pact with a 12 month uNAP, and agreed to work to reduce the hate (Coz I guess Gerdler must have been really feeling it, arrogant ass that he is who deserved all the insults thrown at him), and you guys would have had 12 months to net away and maybe get stronger, or try some more "divide and conquer" tactics with Mercs, SoF and SoL before you might have to fight another war. But no, you run crying for help. Thats not a projection pal, thats what you've done.

You won't stand for it? Go play actual Farmville buddy. This is the game you signed up for 20 years ago, and now you want to change the very nature of the game because you feel hurt? Grow some balls. Get some players who will stand up for LaF like we do for SoL, win or lose. Or quit, and good bye.

Or change the game if you can, and make it worthless. Then I'll quit and leave you to your fun.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree TC. We had good reasons to war LaF. You guys had avoided war for a couple years, and of all clans in the game, you were the most hated by everyone. You can see that from how many people came back to the game for the fun of kicking your asses.

This has always been a war game. You may prefer to net, but you have always been netting in a war environment. I guess its Qzjul's privilege to change that and give everyone an out from war with Clan GDI. Its the end of a long long history of conflict and drama in this unique game. We love it because the conflict here is so real, and we feel it so strongly. I don't know of another game that has the emotional impact that this one does, when you kill a country, when you are blindsided, when we debate all these issues and argue.

It makes me really sad to see Clan GDI implemented, and the game turned into a meaningless operation of farming bots with no interaction or conflict with other players. I still hope that Qzjul will change his mind on this and remove this new feature, because the game will never be the same, and I know that many many people will quit, including me.

I've looked into it too TC, and we went to war in part for the unfair FDP that was not really an FDP beacuse of the clause that meant you never had to back us up even if we got blindsided by a larger enemy. In fact, in our previous war before this one, LaF sent $6b to our enemy in "Reps" despite clause #2 that said you would never send FA to our enemy. Add to that huge penalties if we had a rogue suicider, like KBomb, who we recruited in good faith but who hit LaF and who we paid billions in reps for, discouraging us from recruiting anyone new. And then, bullfluff like this:
"-Standard reps formula is: ((75*number of week into the reset)*(lost acres*1.2)). Units are in tanks.
-200% Land:Land negates any lost production payable, as future production will be more. Special cases may still be discussed between representatives from both alliances."

so yes, we went to war for a new pact, in addition to you being assholes who cheat, bribe, corrupt and infiltrate with lying spies, on top of being crybabies who want special treatment and protection.

Evo, Monsters, PDM. All netting clans who have respect from everyone and haven't been blindsided in years. Its just LaF who needs Clan GDI, because you are arrogant assholes, you cheat and bribe, you send spies into other clans, you dictate unfair pacts when you are in a position of power, and now that you are weak and are getting some payback for your years of being assholes, you are crying and sucking up to Qzjul and getting protection through straight favoritism, and wrecking the game. Go fluff yourselves.

And I'll add that I'm really glad to have been part of setting up what may be the last war of Earth 2025/Earth Empires and seeing LaF ground into the dirt until only 3 remained tagged, and seeing your leaders cry like the sissies they are.

How do you feel now?

It seems that the main reason for Clan GDI is to stop the blind-siding of Netters. It looks to me like Gerdler went crying to Qzjul about the recent war in which LaF got demolished, and asked him to put the crazy Clan GDI in place, so now anyone can be completely protected from war by pushing a button.

Prior the recent 3 set war between LaF and a coallition of 4 or 5 clans and many returning players, LaF fought a war about 2 years before, and another 3 years before. So they don't exactly get "blind-sided" very often.

In the most recent war, a lot of resentment had been building towards LaF. I remember some old grudges myself, going back a few years to shananigans with Vic, and I'm not alone. We've also had a pact with LaF that was quite unfair, and seems to have been imposed on SoL back when LaF won a war and dictated pact terms. That was before my time as SoL FR, but I was not happy with our pact. And so, we formed an alliance and we went to war.

We won the first set set of the war. LaF had time to prepare, but we caught them by surprise nonetheless, and won the battle. In the second set, LaF made a superb OOP attack and caught us napping, and won. In the final set, we all came out in hiding, warring oop. We were identifying each country to decide if it was a real or fake bot, lol. We had tons of players return from SoF, Elders, and SoL, and we had Apoc for the whole war as well. We crushed LaF.

Gerdler came asking for peace at the end of last set, and we met with him on irc. The Coallition offered a uNAP to LaF, auto-renewing for 6 sets. We agreed to work together to a closer rapport, to reduce hate, and to make the game more enjoyable. I believe this was a reasonable and even merciful proposal. Gerdler agreed to it, and we were all set for a peaceful start to the summer.

Two days later, Qzjul announces Clan GDI. Gerdler obviously knew about it, but said nothing as he signed our 12 month pact.

Is LaF so scared that they need to hide behind this artificial wall? Even after making a fair agreement with me and my fellow leaders and spokesmen for clans, he ran to cry for help and protection? And is Qzjul really so sympathetic to his cause that he would wreck a most basic part of the game, the trust in the players to govern themselves?

I say Clan GDI should be turned off. There's no need to protect Netters from being blind-sided because its not a problem.

Top 10's is a pretty good measure:

https://www.earthempires.com/leaderboards?type=3

Blackhole, for one thing, you are still here. And for another thing, the people who are still here after many years have been beaten up and tested multiple times. We are the ones who couldn't be chased off. This has never been a game for pussies and quitters, and there has never, until now, been any protection on Alliance for anyone. That is what makes this game unique. Everywhere else, where games are commercialized, you can buy protection. Its a sad day when LaF can be such pussies that they persuade Qzjul to fundamentally change this aspect of the game. Its not a minor fix, like the $2b bug, its a change to the most basic principle of this game.

My Earth Empires Premium credits run out in 10 days. I won't be buying any more with this bullfluff clan GDI in place to let LaF cheaters get free protection from war, and seeing the game turned into a crappy version of farmville. I'll keep an eye on the game waiting for QZ to realize he's been duped by Gerdler, and wait until he removes this feature that completely ruins the game. And I'll remember Mr. Gainsborough's threat to drive SoL off the server.

This is a terrible mistake by Qzjul and it will destroy the game. We just saw lots of people come back to the game to fight LaF, because they are so disliked for their underhanded tactics, and now we see them sucking up to the developers and changing the most fundamental aspect of the game to protect their stupid netting. The war clans even made a 12 month non-aggression pact with LaF so we wouldn't drive them out of the game, after we beat them 2 sets out of 3 in the recent war. But now, that non-aggression pact is irrelevant, along with most of the diplomacy in the game.

You can expect a few of us to stay on to cause as much trouble as possible for a while, ABing the bots and doing harmful ops, and then you'll see half of the players gone, never to return. Qzjul, you should reverse your decision on clan GDI and cancel it right away, or I predict that's whats going to happen.

The only reason netting in this game is fun is the element of danger, knowing you can be attacked at any time. Clan GDI removes all risk. No danger, no tension between netters and war clans, no need for diplomacy, no opportunity for revenge. It will be the end of Earth Empires.

Networth:

(Troops * 0.5) + (Jets * 0.6) + (Turrets * 0.6) + (Tanks * 2) + (Spies * 1) + (Tech * 2) + (Land * 45) + (Buildings * 35) + (Money / 20000) + (Food/1000) + (Missiles * 2500) + (Pop/6) + (Oil/100)

Its worse than that mrford. RedX is studying rocket fuel chemistry.

(A) is the answer. But it would be interesting to know more about the reaction. When you combine Diazene (N2H2) with hydrogen peroxide (H2O2), will it explode?

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He probably would, yes. My first country was Z28, and when it died I made Camaro. Think of it as a tribute to my old friend mrford and Camaroland

thanks Red X, all agreed. Its great to see an old clan return.

That all sounds reasonable. Agreed.

Hi Red X. Glad to see TIE returning. SoL offers TIE a uNAP for the rest of the set.

Getafix, SoL FR

Hi llarr, welcome back. My country is Camaro with FastCars and I helped kill you. As said above, with all the Resist and cross server griefers from LaF hiding by playing untagged and forcing war on everyone, we are killing unidentified untagged players. Let us know who you are next set for a DNH, or consider joining us.

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totally wild, man

Bones

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you'll get a Pat on your back for posting

Unban Superfly! Let him speak!

Having RA's with techer bots is a great resource. But right now if your country is killed, your bot RA's stay allied to your dead country for the remainder of the set. i suggest that they be programmed to cancel RA's with dead allies to make them available again.

Hi silentwolf, great to see you

bones

bones

Vic tried to bribe me and another player and corrupt the Monsters about 10 years ago. I ended up leaving Monsters over the corruption caused by LaF, and I have spent all this time getting into a position where I could take my retal on LaF. Retal!

Actually just 5 or 6 years ago

Congrats!

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