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Tigress

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Oct 28th 2019, 0:01:12

Rank Country Land Networth Special
1 daM oG goD gnikraB (#17) 39,669 $55,458,248 CG
2 PSU 4 Ever (#20) 19,094 $46,311,253 HG
3 (#98) 6950 $41,651,425 DG
4 Let The Top 10 Net Again (#9) 24,721 $33,931,093 CG
5 IhaveSexForTech (#103) 39,253 $33,132,148 CG
6 Light em up (#64) 14,940 $24,602,246 RG
7 1 in 5 (#93) 30,653 $23,677,236 HG
8 lANE KIFFIN GREAT PUMPKINHEAD (#102) 20,389 $23,268,208 HG
9 Where The Shadows Lie (#1) 11,801 $16,702,136 H
10 you bet (#5) 15,536 $16,657,664 H

11 Cornhole (#101) 21,471 $15,749,597 TG
12 SwordOfFrost (#60) 19,475 $15,736,474 RG
13 Ihavenoideawhatimdoing (#55) 11,415 $14,429,048 HG
14 Free Range Pumpkins (#70) 13,431 $13,997,176 F
15 D A N C E W I T H T H E D E A D (#4) 10,716 $13,913,396 HG
16 Land of the Peaceful Pies (#80) 20,022 $12,028,356 DG
17 Sidathe (#38) 14,951 $11,399,318 RG
18 Gander Island (#82) 14,219 $11,219,021 CG
19 Ophelia Schneeky (#32) 5600 $10,289,365 H
20 ThePassage (#27) 16,019 $9,832,049 RG

21 Great Southern Land (#26) 15,855 $9,506,078 F
22 Hidden Storm (#7) 4829 $9,133,819 H
23 Kahuna loves AR and Big D (#61) 11,606 $8,981,681 TG
24 Zek Galiron (#58) 14,344 $8,714,790 R
25 Santhils Riders (#22) 5120 $8,478,235 D
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Tigress

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Oct 28th 2019, 0:02:40

mine was:

14 Free Range Pumpkins (#70) 13,431 $13,997,176 F

congrats all!!!

and Happy Halloween
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Stryke

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Oct 28th 2019, 0:03:46

Mine is:

15 D A N C E W I T H T H E D E A D (#4) 10,716 $13,913,396 HG

I had $2.5 billion cash on hand and had to buy off the public market after I bought out my private, otherwise I could have done somewhat better LOL.
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this dudes either a great troll or a seriously stupid fluff. the kind that takes the pepsi challenge and chooses jiff

ebert00

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Oct 28th 2019, 0:04:09

I am very happy 101 did not make top 10. congrats to the winner.

Ektar

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Oct 28th 2019, 0:04:13

Is there something that prevents attacks the last x amount of the reset?

Ektar

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Oct 28th 2019, 0:04:55

Originally posted by ebert00:
I am very happy 101 did not make top 10. congrats to the winner.


I had 5 ps’s planned for him the last minutes of the reset, but it wouldnt let me.

commander1972

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Oct 28th 2019, 0:06:12

GDI

Ektar

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Oct 28th 2019, 0:09:46

Originally posted by commander1972:
GDI


Care to elaborate a little more er nah?

CX LaE

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Oct 28th 2019, 0:35:52

Hell of an indy there, Ponti. Well done. Almost the best NW indy ever in Express.

I didn't finish the round. Had to kill off a double-tapper and then was out of town all weekend.
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ebert00

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Oct 28th 2019, 0:49:02

Originally posted by Ektar:
Originally posted by commander1972:
GDI


Care to elaborate a little more er nah?

as the round ends, gdi will stop you from attacking someone that has not attacked you. additionally, with limited time remaining in the round, you have to e a certain percentage of the targets nw. for the last turn it is something like 99%. someone with more info can point you to exact numbers.

Ektar

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Oct 28th 2019, 0:52:47

#101 had bounced his initial retal on me then came back for a 2nd so that wasnt the issue. I was double his nw... that must have been it. Anyone know what the specific time frames and other details on these rules?

Tigress

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Oct 28th 2019, 1:05:55

Originally posted by Ektar:
Originally posted by commander1972:
GDI


Care to elaborate a little more er nah?


GDI Membership Details

The Global Defense Initiative (GDI) is an open organization dedicated to the protection of our members. As a member of GDI, you will receive the protection of GDI forces. Unless you have attacked a country twice or more, that country will only be able to commit the following attacks or harmful spy ops against you: standard strikes, planned strikes, bomb banks, burn oil, and burn bushels. However, we require your assistance in return. You will be required to pay $5 per acre of land you own to the GDI fund as long as you are with us.

In addition, you will not be allowed to commit offensive acts which are not standard strikes, planned strikes, or beneficial spy ops against other countries
--- unless they have attacked you more than once.

You can only join GDI if you haven't attacked or done a harmful spy op and cannot leave after joining.


In the final six hours of the game, you will not be able to engage in any offensive actions against countries that have not hit you at least once.

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last sentence should explain it... however if they did attack you then you should have been able to retaliate.

reading thru the boards it looks like #101 hit you twice definitely breaking GDI -- it should have allowed you to do whatever you wanted --- perhaps a bug that needs to be fixed ???

--- I would definitely post it in the [BUGS] Section if it did not let you get your retals in.

my understanding of GDI is if you hit a country a second time then GDI rules no longer apply if the country you hit wants to hit back -- it would be full on open season anything goes. the country you hit would be able to do whatever they like -- missiles / abs / br / gs / ps / ss and any spy op they wanted. this applies both ways considering you were the one hit this should have been available to you.

Edited By: Tigress on Oct 28th 2019, 1:15:28
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AtticusRex

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Oct 28th 2019, 1:08:42

Humanitarian ranges decrease dramatically as the set comes to a close, regardless of gdi

Tigress

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Oct 28th 2019, 1:17:13

Originally posted by AtticusRex:
Humanitarian ranges decrease dramatically as the set comes to a close, regardless of gdi


this I did not know ... interesting though... does this include retals?
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Ponti

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Oct 28th 2019, 1:23:04

Ponti

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Oct 28th 2019, 1:23:54

Originally posted by CX LaE:
Hell of an indy there, Ponti. Well done. Almost the best NW indy ever in Express.

I didn't finish the round. Had to kill off a double-tapper and then was out of town all weekend.



Thank you good sir. I did not realize it was that close.

Ektar

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Oct 28th 2019, 1:32:16

Originally posted by AtticusRex:
Humanitarian ranges decrease dramatically as the set comes to a close, regardless of gdi


Know the specifics by chance? Times & ranges?

AtticusRex

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Oct 28th 2019, 2:38:17

I don't :/ I just know the mechanic exists. I haven't had need to play against it or test it.

The timing here is tighter compared to the other servers, but would need someone who's played longer/more consistently to confirm details. People like geerdler, ebert, CX probably know off hand.

Ektar

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Oct 28th 2019, 2:56:58

Im pretty pleased with 5th, 33mil, & 40k acres though. Thats my PB. Would have been about 35mil had that clown #101 not dedicated his life to revenging the 300 acre grab i made on him. He literally dedicated the rest of his reset to grabbing me back. I bet he had a nerd fit when he bounced the first time. He finished the set with 15:1 jets:turrets and about 45 unspent missiles. Im sure he was hoping id retal his double retal on me so he could unload those. Thats why i waited till 180 seconds left to send an extra 5ps his way, to find out i couldnt.

nosluoc

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Oct 28th 2019, 2:58:57

Finished 13th— seem destined not to crack the top 10. Set an alarm to check my $ as I offloaded a ton of stuff on the market, but forgot to log back in 😑

AtticusRex

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Oct 28th 2019, 4:24:44

Originally posted by Ektar:
Im pretty pleased with 5th, 33mil, & 40k acres though. Thats my PB. Would have been about 35mil had that clown #101 not dedicated his life to revenging the 300 acre grab i made on him. He literally dedicated the rest of his reset to grabbing me back. I bet he had a nerd fit when he bounced the first time. He finished the set with 15:1 jets:turrets and about 45 unspent missiles. Im sure he was hoping id retal his double retal on me so he could unload those. Thats why i waited till 180 seconds left to send an extra 5ps his way, to find out i couldnt.


Sounds like it wasnt worth grabbing a real player.

Is like banging a random chub. Sure you can nut, but why risk herpes?

Fortunately you can learn from this experience without needing a prescription.

Tigress

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Oct 28th 2019, 7:26:37

Originally posted by AtticusRex:
Originally posted by Ektar:
Im pretty pleased with 5th, 33mil, & 40k acres though. Thats my PB. Would have been about 35mil had that clown #101 not dedicated his life to revenging the 300 acre grab i made on him. He literally dedicated the rest of his reset to grabbing me back. I bet he had a nerd fit when he bounced the first time. He finished the set with 15:1 jets:turrets and about 45 unspent missiles. Im sure he was hoping id retal his double retal on me so he could unload those. Thats why i waited till 180 seconds left to send an extra 5ps his way, to find out i couldnt.


Sounds like it wasnt worth grabbing a real player.

Is like banging a random chub. Sure you can nut, but why risk herpes?

Fortunately you can learn from this experience without needing a prescription.


to this I must agree, bottom-feeding a real player in express with so many turns available is very dangerous. In general I try to be nice if I cannot take a retal in 150-180 turns I will usually just let it go. Although based on general (unwritten but agreed upon) retal rules (based on alliance-type pacts) a player does have 3 days worth of turns to take the retal. So based on that alone it would in general still be more than fair to retal between 180 - 240 turns.

and don't RoR if they got you the first time they will most definitely get you the second time :) all that does is save a player from having to use more turns than normal. For example I gained 3K acres in two retals this reset, one of which was a retal on an RoR. This was highly opportunistic for me. It saved me 150+ exploring turns, just as I completed rebuilding from my tech-phase.

Personally I do try to make the retal as lopsided as I possibly can, it's my way of saying "hey I'm an all-x go pick on someone who is actually land-grabbing like you." I also play an FFO which in general terms is a really bad idea to land-grab. When grabbing an FFO you are in effect land-grabbing one of the most efficient war-strat countries in the game. Played correctly it will own your ass +90% of the time.

Consider this:

turns taken = 1500 -- there are about 400 turns left in the reset
FFO sitting @ 8800 acres
-- 650 mil cash worth of bushel or about 4 mil jets
-- incoming cash about 500k per turn
-- 1.2 mil oil enough to move 30 mil units
-- A SPAL of 35-40
-- weapons tech @144
-- mil-strat @133
and a potential of: CM:17 | NM: 10 | EM 7 -- MISSILES

WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU EVER WANT TO HIT THIS COUNTRY???

ok so you are 2-3 its size now looking at it with impunity from 12-15 mil net thinking an easy 800 -1200 acres taken from a country @ 4.2 -4.3 mil net -- it's only about a 2 mil jet PS not bad for a loss of about 400k jets

240 TURNS LATER

same all-x country you hit is now at:(conservatively i.e worst case scenario)
12K acres
an additional 1.6 billion in cash or 9.5 mil jets
plenty of oil to move a total of 13.5 mil jets
with weapons and PS multipliers = 29 million jets
if you include potential tech sell off its another 600 mil
the PS jet count jumps to 35 mil jets

and they have another 160 turns to hit you with
oh and the missile count is probably somewhere in the neighborhood of
CM: 27 | NM:15 | EM:12

Now the player you are up against does not play nice or is having a really bad day / week / month / year
-- about 3 years ago bad year would have applied to me

launch 12 EMs -- lower your overall military strength
4 PS -- roughly 11K acres -->>> 3 EMS | PS 1 - | - 3 EMS | PS 2 - | - 3 EMS | PS 3 - | - 3 EMS | PS 4 | = 32 TURNS
launch 15 Nukes about another 5-7 K acres = 30 TURNS
launch 27 chems -- your reset is over and done with in 120 turns = 54 TURNS
and with a speed-kill/ 5 tabs and the refresh button this is done and over with in under 3 minutes

it's not that I do not know how it's more like I choose not to, and many of the live all-x players are old timers who can pretty much do the same if they desired to do so.

Edited By: Tigress on Oct 28th 2019, 8:06:27
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Ektar

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Oct 28th 2019, 11:40:00

Refer to the first message in the post. He bounced his “retal”. Anything beyond 1:1 is no longer a retal.


Originally posted by Tigress:
Originally posted by AtticusRex:
Originally posted by Ektar:
Im pretty pleased with 5th, 33mil, & 40k acres though. Thats my PB. Would have been about 35mil had that clown #101 not dedicated his life to revenging the 300 acre grab i made on him. He literally dedicated the rest of his reset to grabbing me back. I bet he had a nerd fit when he bounced the first time. He finished the set with 15:1 jets:turrets and about 45 unspent missiles. Im sure he was hoping id retal his double retal on me so he could unload those. Thats why i waited till 180 seconds left to send an extra 5ps his way, to find out i couldnt.


Sounds like it wasnt worth grabbing a real player.

Is like banging a random chub. Sure you can nut, but why risk herpes?

Fortunately you can learn from this experience without needing a prescription.


to this I must agree, bottom-feeding a real player in express with so many turns available is very dangerous. In general I try to be nice if I cannot take a retal in 150-180 turns I will usually just let it go. Although based on general (unwritten but agreed upon) retal rules (based on alliance-type pacts) a player does have 3 days worth of turns to take the retal. So based on that alone it would in general still be more than fair to retal between 180 - 240 turns.

and don't RoR if they got you the first time they will most definitely get you the second time :) all that does is save a player from having to use more turns than normal. For example I gained 3K acres in two retals this reset, one of which was a retal on an RoR. This was highly opportunistic for me. It saved me 150+ exploring turns, just as I completed rebuilding from my tech-phase.

Personally I do try to make the retal as lopsided as I possibly can, it's my way of saying "hey I'm an all-x go pick on someone who is actually land-grabbing like you." I also play an FFO which in general terms is a really bad idea to land-grab. When grabbing an FFO you are in effect land-grabbing one of the most efficient war-strat countries in the game. Played correctly it will own your ass +90% of the time.

Consider this:

turns taken = 1500 -- there are about 400 turns left in the reset
FFO sitting @ 8800 acres
-- 650 mil cash worth of bushel or about 4 mil jets
-- incoming cash about 500k per turn
-- 1.2 mil oil enough to move 30 mil units
-- A SPAL of 35-40
-- weapons tech @144
-- mil-strat @133
and a potential of: CM:17 | NM: 10 | EM 7 -- MISSILES

WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU EVER WANT TO HIT THIS COUNTRY???

ok so you are 2-3 its size now looking at it with impunity from 12-15 mil net thinking an easy 800 -1200 acres taken from a country @ 4.2 -4.3 mil net -- it's only about a 2 mil jet PS not bad for a loss of about 400k jets

240 TURNS LATER

same all-x country you hit is now at:(conservatively i.e worst case scenario)
12K acres
an additional 1.6 billion in cash or 9.5 mil jets
plenty of oil to move a total of 13.5 mil jets
with weapons and PS multipliers = 29 million jets
if you include potential tech sell off its another 600 mil
the PS jet count jumps to 35 mil jets

and they have another 160 turns to hit you with
oh and the missile count is probably somewhere in the neighborhood of
CM: 27 | NM:15 | EM:12

Now the player you are up against does not play nice or is having a really bad day / week / month / year
-- about 3 years ago bad year would have applied to me

launch 12 EMs -- lower your overall military strength
4 PS -- roughly 11K acres -->>> 3 EMS | PS 1 - | - 3 EMS | PS 2 - | - 3 EMS | PS 3 - | - 3 EMS | PS 4 | = 32 TURNS
launch 15 Nukes about another 5-7 K acres = 30 TURNS
launch 27 chems -- your reset is over and done with in 120 turns = 54 TURNS
and with a speed-kill/ 5 tabs and the refresh button this is done and over with in under 3 minutes

it's not that I do not know how it's more like I choose not to, and many of the live all-x players are old timers who can pretty much do the same if they desired to do so.

Ektar

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Oct 28th 2019, 12:33:04

Also, i let off the gas on the turrets after the bounced “retal” to produce jets for less expense. Had i not done that, he would never have been able to break me throughout the entire round.

Anyway. I doubled the clowns nw and still finished top 5. So id say i win. Congrats to all top 10.

Tigress

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Oct 28th 2019, 12:59:36

Originally posted by Ektar:
Refer to the first message in the post. He bounced his “retal”. Anything beyond 1:1 is no longer a retal.


I do understand where you are coming from on this

here are the basics though:

1. you took a calculated risk betting on a live player's inability to reach up and take their retal.
2. from a technical stand point and based upon unwritten etiquette rules many of us play by your calculations were actually correct. He bounced it's over move on, most of us agree to this.
3. when hitting a live player you are dealing with unknown human factors
--- do they agree with or even aware of the unwritten rules.
--- even if they do agree with the rules are they willing to take the risk just as you did. In their case going the extra step to break GDI to get their land back: calculating you would not break your own GDI and in their case they were semi-correct in that you waited too long to pull the trigger.

my post is in agreement with the dangers and high risks taken when hitting live players, it also demonstrates the volatility of the risk being taken... all it takes is one player having a bad week looking to share their anguish with you and in some cases it can get really ugly really fast. -- You knew this, which is precisely why you did not break GDI.

its like going to Vegas expecting to win. You might be on a lucky streak taking the house down, feeling invincible with the odds in your favor. the one thing you forgot about during your winning streak though was the casino you are playing in -- is successfully paying their light bill. They do not care that you are winning they just need you to keep gambling, i.e. you win they comp you a room, free food and a massage -- eventually the house wins and you get to help pay for the light bill.
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