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Tigress

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Oct 21st 2019, 0:01:01

Rank Country Land Networth Special
1 California has LibTards (#11) 20,298 $58,935,453 HG
2 Pablo Emilio Escobar Gaviria (#5) 34,677 $46,494,380 CG
3 Twenty Deadly Diseases (#106) 28,419 $39,913,071 CG
4 ho hum (#39) 32,641 $34,381,403 HG
5 w00t (#89) 7031 $34,209,568 DG
6 daM oG goD gnikraB (#17) 7834 $30,526,250 D
7 In the middle of the night (#18) 16,947 $22,639,256 HG
8 Where The Shadows Lie (#9) 15,296 $21,388,876 HG
9 KITTY HAS CLAWS (#25) 35,422 $21,033,534 F
10 Chickencordongreen (#83) 23,441 $18,507,854 RG

11 Sevz (#107) 8896 $18,309,866 HG
12 A N D R O M E D A (#2) 10,160 $17,042,803 HG
13 Peace Sells But Whos Buying (#90) 26,046 $16,813,939 TG
14 NeuroPro (#4) 14,107 $16,033,530 HG
15 Land of the Peaceful Pies (#79) 19,899 $15,146,825 RG
16 Test Country Do Not Attack (#29) 13,251 $14,754,224 TG
17 Iiuhhjkkkj (#22) 97 $13,988,720 HG
18 Capital Punishment (#105) 16,778 $13,330,842 TG
19 WNm06 Ak53 (#55) 8272 $13,149,312 CG
20 FFS Im Not A Bot (#34) 14,022 $12,789,758 RG

21 Ihavenoideawhatimdoing (#20) 7276 $12,023,519 HG
22 Sashimi (#95) 20,153 $11,969,795 R
23 Gander Island (#3) 11,187 $11,798,067 RG
24 ThePassage (#87) 16,101 $10,757,709 RG
25 Bloody Simon Blacksmith (#37) 5892 $10,744,117 D
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Stryke

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Oct 21st 2019, 0:01:33

12 A N D R O M E D A (#2) 10,160 $17,042,803 HG
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Originally posted by kemo:
this dudes either a great troll or a seriously stupid fluff. the kind that takes the pepsi challenge and chooses jiff

CX LaE

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Oct 21st 2019, 0:02:52

Congrats, ebert! SuperFly with a great indy ... sfbob as well. Wish I could have been up there with you guys, but I'll take 19th after lighting up Kahuna all round.
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Tigress

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Oct 21st 2019, 0:08:05

the reasons why you do not missile me for kicks and giggles

goals for this reset

35K acres -- check
35k land in under 45 turns of LG - missed it by 1 turn
top land - check
20 mil net - check
top 10 - check

http://www.earthgraphs.com/...last_h=72&tab=history

mine was
9 KITTY HAS CLAWS (#25) 35,422 $21,033,534 F

I will be returning to an all-x strategy next reset

congrats to all!!!

PS. my deepest apologies if I hit you and you were not a bot

Edited By: Tigress on Oct 21st 2019, 0:11:23
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Stryke

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Oct 21st 2019, 0:10:04

Congrats guys, I know I could do better... the whole issue I have is getting the necessary land without either getting grabbed into oblivion, or grabbing what looks like a bot, and finding out otherwise... So, I usually end up playing it safe. LOL
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Originally posted by kemo:
this dudes either a great troll or a seriously stupid fluff. the kind that takes the pepsi challenge and chooses jiff

SuperFly

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Oct 21st 2019, 0:13:38

Great job everyone. Ebert was a monster!

SFBob I thought u were going to get me!

CX bro hopefully you will get to net freely soon and
Show us how it’s done!

CX LaE

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Oct 21st 2019, 0:15:25

One of these days, lol. Prob not this next round. Will be out of town Sat/Sun.
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Sauron NBK

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Oct 21st 2019, 0:23:42

8th place. And a personal best nw for me. Woulda been much higher if I didnt get into a slight spat with #4.

ebert00

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Oct 21st 2019, 0:29:21

Originally posted by Sauron NBK:
8th place. And a personal best nw for me. Woulda been much higher if I didnt get into a slight spat with #4.

#4 is an idiot. 2 different rounds now he topfeed me and then has some bs message like. retal from last set. or oh crap, wrong server, go ahead and retal. the proceeds to retal a retal. morons like that are not needed.

Tigress

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Oct 21st 2019, 0:36:01

Originally posted by Sauron NBK:
8th place. And a personal best nw for me. Woulda been much higher if I didnt get into a slight spat with #4.


congrats Sauron beautiful finish !!!

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Tigress

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Oct 21st 2019, 0:40:05

Originally posted by Stryke:
Congrats guys, I know I could do better... the whole issue I have is getting the necessary land without either getting grabbed into oblivion, or grabbing what looks like a bot, and finding out otherwise... So, I usually end up playing it safe. LOL


A nice quiet reset is all we ever really look for :)
As an all-x if I ever get a top 10 I know I got lucky :)

I could just about retire now that I hit my main goals for Express :P
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Sauron NBK

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Oct 21st 2019, 0:41:26

Originally posted by ebert00:
Originally posted by Sauron NBK:
8th place. And a personal best nw for me. Woulda been much higher if I didnt get into a slight spat with #4.

#4 is an idiot. 2 different rounds now he topfeed me and then has some bs message like. retal from last set. or oh crap, wrong server, go ahead and retal. the proceeds to retal a retal. morons like that are not needed.


Yeah he did the same thing to me. Said he thought i was a bit and asked me not to retal. Check my news lol. I definitely came out on top. Bit still hindered my finish a little.

galleri

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Oct 21st 2019, 2:50:49

Sauron!!!!!!!



ninong
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i sure hope this galleri person isn't anoniem on drag *cringes*
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M59Gar

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Oct 21st 2019, 3:46:47

I was Test Country Do Not Attack, and fortunately few did. However, this being my best set so far in express, I have no idea how anyone can get 50 mil+ networth. I literally have no idea what people are doing to achieve what - 10-20 billion dollars worth of military?.

sfbob

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Oct 21st 2019, 6:31:16

Congrats Ebert, we couldn't get close, SF you beat me into a faily distant third in the end. With only a few Indies playing I should have done a lot better but messed up the buy out-bounce and didn't even break 40m in the end! Also thanks to CX LaE for doing everyone a favour and taking out Kahuna.

Tigress

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Oct 21st 2019, 8:51:29

Originally posted by M59Gar:
I was Test Country Do Not Attack, and fortunately few did. However, this being my best set so far in express, I have no idea how anyone can get 50 mil+ networth. I literally have no idea what people are doing to achieve what - 10-20 billion dollars worth of military?.


fully theoretical

1,830 regular turns
20 voting bonus turns
30 login bonus turns
6 post bonus turns
1,886 total reset turns
222 CS -- as a theo
85 build per turn
70 land grabs
21,250 land goal
250 buiding turns
222 cs turns - theo
140 land grab turns
612 total turns

1,274 remaining turns -- must be fully built by turn 612
222 cs land
528 indies -- for spies
20,500 labs
6,850 tech per turn -- not sure if accurate old formula ** see below
4,682 sell-able @ 4 sales per day
2,554 sell price -- an average price across the entire reset
11,957,828 dollars per turn
15,234,272,872 dollars for reset -- this would mean selling all sell-able tech from every turn
225 conversion to net divisor -- can be lower
67,707,879 total net

** 0.34*labs*(1-(1-labs/land)/2)+3

Edited By: Tigress on Oct 21st 2019, 8:57:23
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trumpoz

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Oct 21st 2019, 11:57:55

Originally posted by Tigress:
Originally posted by M59Gar:
I was Test Country Do Not Attack, and fortunately few did. However, this being my best set so far in express, I have no idea how anyone can get 50 mil+ networth. I literally have no idea what people are doing to achieve what - 10-20 billion dollars worth of military?.


fully theoretical

1,830 regular turns
20 voting bonus turns
30 login bonus turns
6 post bonus turns
1,886 total reset turns
222 CS -- as a theo
85 build per turn
70 land grabs
21,250 land goal
250 buiding turns
222 cs turns - theo
140 land grab turns
612 total turns

1,274 remaining turns -- must be fully built by turn 612
222 cs land
528 indies -- for spies
20,500 labs
6,850 tech per turn -- not sure if accurate old formula ** see below
4,682 sell-able @ 4 sales per day
2,554 sell price -- an average price across the entire reset
11,957,828 dollars per turn
15,234,272,872 dollars for reset -- this would mean selling all sell-able tech from every turn
225 conversion to net divisor -- can be lower
67,707,879 total net

** 0.34*labs*(1-(1-labs/land)/2)+3


The fully theoretical doesnt take in to account turns needed to generate income whilst growing. Last set I got to 19.5k by turn 930 and probably should have gone higher than 42mil as I made a few mistakes along the way.

Im assuming ebert et al are making good money manipulating the market to have high priced tech on sale when bots are buying up. There is money to be made manipulating oil and bushel during peak playing times.

ebert00

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Oct 21st 2019, 14:28:31

good luck market manipulating. you will win some and lose some.

nosluoc

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Oct 21st 2019, 17:08:12

Originally posted by M59Gar:
I was Test Country Do Not Attack, and fortunately few did. However, this being my best set so far in express, I have no idea how anyone can get 50 mil+ networth. I literally have no idea what people are doing to achieve what - 10-20 billion dollars worth of military?.


I'm in the same boat. No idea how these guys are doing it. I can get to around $12M-$15M NW, but end up leaving 200-300 turns on the board by the end of the reset because the market tanks and my revenue (or lack thereof) per turn is ass because of my military purchases.

CX LaE

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Oct 21st 2019, 20:59:15

nosluoc -- what strat do you usually run? Maybe I can provide pointers.
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nosluoc

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Oct 21st 2019, 21:20:24

Originally posted by CX LaE:
nosluoc -- what strat do you usually run? Maybe I can provide pointers.


That would be appreciated. I honestly stopped playing the game a long time ago and just recently came back to it a few weeks ago (only have 2-3 resets under my belt so far). I'm basically running a Theo/Tech strat from what I remember a long time ago, but I've been avoiding land grabbing because I don't want to end up melted since I don't have a good "pulse" for how the game works these days.

sfbob

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Oct 21st 2019, 22:12:16

Originally posted by nosluoc:
Originally posted by CX LaE:
nosluoc -- what strat do you usually run? Maybe I can provide pointers.


That would be appreciated. I honestly stopped playing the game a long time ago and just recently came back to it a few weeks ago (only have 2-3 resets under my belt so far). I'm basically running a Theo/Tech strat from what I remember a long time ago, but I've been avoiding land grabbing because I don't want to end up melted since I don't have a good "pulse" for how the game works these days.


Do you know there are now non player bots you can grab with impunity?

nosluoc

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Oct 21st 2019, 22:28:32

Originally posted by sfbob:
Originally posted by nosluoc:
Originally posted by CX LaE:
nosluoc -- what strat do you usually run? Maybe I can provide pointers.


That would be appreciated. I honestly stopped playing the game a long time ago and just recently came back to it a few weeks ago (only have 2-3 resets under my belt so far). I'm basically running a Theo/Tech strat from what I remember a long time ago, but I've been avoiding land grabbing because I don't want to end up melted since I don't have a good "pulse" for how the game works these days.


Do you know there are now non player bots you can grab with impunity?


I did not, but I did PM ebert after seeing that on this thread and am trying to understand how to identify which countries are bots and which are not. :)

CX LaE

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Oct 21st 2019, 22:45:21

Ah yes. ebert is a good resource for that.
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the Temple

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Oct 22nd 2019, 0:16:46

Originally posted by nosluoc:
how to identify which countries are bots and which are not. :)


Bots don't join GDI
Bots build 240 CS
Bots don't retal
Bots always have 0 turns unplayed (this is the only really safe way to tell - everything else can be spoofed if someone wants to pretend...)
Unless you're quick bots are 5-10 DR (this doesn't matter too much as they tend to batch explore after early hits, so a look on eestats on your targets histroy will tell you if it's explored enough after the last strikes to be worth hitting.)

Edited By: the Temple on Oct 22nd 2019, 0:19:30

M59Gar

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Oct 22nd 2019, 0:34:57

I also had to leave 350 turns unplayed on my techer this round. Tech crashes to nothing in the last 24 hours of Express, what do other techers do with those turns??

Gerdler

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Oct 22nd 2019, 0:48:34

the Temple is wrong, some bots do join GDI, its like ~1/3rd of them I think.

They also dont all have 240cs. They do strive for 65bpt which is 240 cs on non-theo/dict govt.

There is a name generator that creates all the bots names, and you will learn by experience what names they use.

Also exploring or taking turns building/teching doesnt reduce DR anymore. I remember that being the case in Earth 2025. It might have been that way in EE too some time but since at least 2013 its had no effect on DR.

Tigress

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Oct 22nd 2019, 6:41:20

Originally posted by trumpoz:

The fully theoretical doesnt take in to account turns needed to generate income whilst growing. Last set I got to 19.5k by turn 930 and probably should have gone higher than 42mil as I made a few mistakes along the way.

Im assuming ebert et al are making good money manipulating the market to have high priced tech on sale when bots are buying up. There is money to be made manipulating oil and bushel during peak playing times.


Actually it does account for the CS build and land build,

The extra missing turns would go to putting tech on the market.
Optimum Build Per Turn can be done as you grow without losing turns as long as you remain ahead of the curve of what optimum is for current land to build.

one way of generating build income is to build another type of building that will help you grow i.e oil or jets for lg when done for the day put the excess on the market. try not to tech until you have land goal. when you have land goal tear down the extra buildings. if you built 2K acres of extra buildings then include the count in optimum build per turn so you can have the extra construction sites to minimize lost turns.

the other missing portion is the cost of building the labs and destroying buildings that do not fit your strategy.

also the cost of oil and/or jets -- however if selling excess oil or jets on the market then it could potentially pay for the missing portions needed to continue land grabbing. you would need to balance it so it produce enough in turns used to land grab and build to replenish either your oil used or jets lost. simply hold back from the excess sale enough to make the 1st couple of land grabs when starting your next round of land grabbing. cash from the excess sale supplement any cash per turn you make to buy either oil used or jets lost. key if oil is cheap and jet are expensive then produce jets / if oil is expensive and jets are cheap then produce oil -- if both are expensive the just flip a coin and hope for the best in the long run.

there are probably a few other things missing here -- but overall those getting into the 50 mil+ net countries are very close to theoretical limits for the 1900 turns.

side note: an oil destock could lower the conversion divisor from 225 or 8.9 mil net per 2 billion to 168 or 11.9 mil net per 2 billion.


Originally posted by Gerdler:
the Temple is wrong, some bots do join GDI, its like ~1/3rd of them I think.

They also dont all have 240cs. They do strive for 65bpt which is 240 cs on non-theo/dict govt.

There is a name generator that creates all the bots names, and you will learn by experience what names they use.

Also exploring or taking turns building/teching doesnt reduce DR anymore. I remember that being the case in Earth 2025. It might have been that way in EE too some time but since at least 2013 its had no effect on DR.


Gerdler is correct -- also keep in mind bots with GDI also have def allies or at least you need to add this as if true to your attack calculator. because the spy on alliance will not show allies and if you trust this and calculate the break as such you will bounce.

bots outside of GDI are safe to assume have no def allies but still check for a $$ amount to make sure it is at $0 .

to get a feel for bot names simply look at top players in previous reset the highlighted names are bots. going back 10-20 resets should give you a good feel for what those look like.

also use earth graphs to check if any attacks were made during the reset by the country this should remain at zero -- ie. bots do not attack or retal. -- if a country has any attack coming from it it is not a bot.

http://www.earthgraphs.com/...&searchstr&sort=2
The eestats DR is wrong and I am not sure if earth graphs DR is correct or not.

Check the in game news the top players usually hit bots - but only do this when you have a good feel for the naming convention of bots -- use this to determine when a bot was last hit -- earth graphs will also show you if they have grown since they were last hit. -

oh and if your spyop is more than 5-10 minutes old do a country search to make sure their net remains unchanged if yo do not do this you can potentially bounce even if over sending.
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these are old but should give you a starting point on calculating potential size of land that can be taken per SS/PS

SS Land Grabbed =TargetLand*NWConst*DRfactor*GvtLG*MilStrat%
PS Land Grabbed =SSLandGrabbed*1.5
Ghost Acres = 5% or LandGained=LandGrabbed*1.05
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NWConst
TargetNW/YourNW
10% - 30% 0.03
30% - 60% 0.05
60% - 140% 0.07
140% - 1000% 0.09
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DRfactor
Last 24 hours target has been hit:
0 - 2 1
3 - 4 0.8
5 - 6 0.5
7 - 8 0.33
9 - ∞ 0.2
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GvtAtt
Normal 1
Dict 1.25
Rep 0.9

if anyone knows what the new numbers are we would love to know :)

Edited By: Tigress on Oct 22nd 2019, 6:48:27
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AtticusRex

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Oct 22nd 2019, 6:50:35

Starting to think you write such long posts so people don't actually read them.

Tigress

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Oct 22nd 2019, 10:11:02

Originally posted by AtticusRex:
Starting to think you write such long posts so people don't actually read them.


I going need to break them down into smaller chunks... it's mainly due to just writing it out as I think of it... it can be shortened tremendously if I took the time to edit and reorganize it before posting it.
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BaDonkaDonks

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Oct 23rd 2019, 20:35:18

TL;DR

Invictus

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Oct 25th 2019, 2:38:10

Do the big netters mass explore or do you just LG from the start?

CX LaE

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Oct 25th 2019, 2:58:44

I LG from 2kA onward w/ pretty much every strat in Express.
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M59Gar

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Oct 25th 2019, 4:34:12

Express is definitely straining under its own weight. All day today and yesterday every single bot had DR in the double digits. It's basically become a game of 'Have you been lucky enough to log on first? If so, go apefluff on the bots!'

Invictus

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Oct 25th 2019, 11:53:17

Thanks..Ya I'll probably have to wait until I get laid off for winter so I can stay up all night.

Invictus

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Oct 25th 2019, 11:58:32

CX, do you ever need to tech a little at first for some cash or do you find other means?

CX LaE

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Oct 25th 2019, 11:58:33

Normally it's not THIS bad. There are some people out just SSing EVERYTHING this round.
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trumpoz

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Oct 25th 2019, 22:25:14

Originally posted by CX LaE:
Normally it's not THIS bad. There are some people out just SSing EVERYTHING this round.


As opposed to last set where I grabbed 16k(ish) in 29 grabs...... and your grabbing was just insane CX

Tigress

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Oct 27th 2019, 1:29:44

when to start land grabbing depends on a few variables

can you get better land by exploring or thru land grabbing

early on you probably will not have any noticeable amounts of mil-strat tech so not really a factor.
bot DRs on the other hand will affect your returns, if too low, it may be more beneficial to just do a mass explore.
jets and oil -- are another factor /market price can reduce your ability to keep hitting at a sustained rate.
-- this is a cost vs. no cost calculation you need to make for yourself. guaranteed 90 acres per 2 turns at no cost vs. a potential of 150 acres per 2 turns @ whatever it costs for jets/oil to get those acres.
another factor is the ability to hang on to those acres, if you do not have the appropriate defense on the ground then you are just getting land for someone else. especially if you are land-grabbing non-bot countries - that little country can be grow quite big in the 360+ turns they may choose to use before retaling a land grab against them. this is not primary where they max out at 80 or so turns.


@1945 acres explore rate = 45
to double the land: 3840 Acres
21-22 turns of actual land grabbing @ an average of 90 acres per SS/PS
or
43-44 turns of exploring

@3840 acres explore rate = 26
to double the land: 7680 Acres
74-75- turns of actual land grabbing @ an average of 52 acres per SS/PS
or
150-151 turns of exploring:
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galleri

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Oct 27th 2019, 1:55:16

Tigress really has helpful posts though :)



ninong
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i sure hope this galleri person isn't anoniem on drag *cringes*
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trumpoz

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Oct 27th 2019, 7:48:00

Originally posted by Tigress:
when to start land grabbing depends on a few variables

can you get better land by exploring or thru land grabbing

early on you probably will not have any noticeable amounts of mil-strat tech so not really a factor.


It also depends on strat and if you play out front or play from back by saving turns. Depends on play style. If you look at what the top players do, CX usually explores to just under 4k as an indy and plays from behind. Ebert last reset spent a surprisingly large amount of turns grabbing but it also meant that he was at stocking acreage earlier in terms of time (friday morning gametime) which can make a difference on tech prices you can catch. He also ended with 50mil + so it obviously worked.

Patoche

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Oct 27th 2019, 13:20:35

22 Sashimi (#95) 20,153 $11,969,795 R

ebert00

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Oct 27th 2019, 13:38:37

an actual helpful thread for players, BONUS