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HellraZor Game profile

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Apr 29th 2018, 12:52:37

There's clearly team work, or market manipulation going on. I get tech sent back that's way under average only to view history to see its sold for 7k, lol. That explains the NW separation gaps. Numbers don't lie.

sinistril Game profile

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Apr 29th 2018, 13:10:33

Could just be bad luck. Use IRC nw news to find out who's buying tech at those prices next time and post results. If it's a player, you may be right, but it's a pretty big accusation to make without names or proof.
If you give a man some fire, he'll be warm for awhile. If you set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

Jayr Game profile

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Apr 29th 2018, 13:39:52


Edited By: Jayr on Jul 2nd 2019, 0:59:02
wasn't me...

Celphi Game profile

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Apr 29th 2018, 13:59:58

^There's your name & proof.
Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

clintonista Game profile

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Apr 29th 2018, 15:11:50




Edited By: clintonista on Apr 29th 2018, 15:14:19

HellraZor Game profile

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Apr 29th 2018, 15:41:11

I guess I'm not cool then. 😔

Celphi Game profile

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Apr 29th 2018, 15:43:23

Plus- I'm sure some players have the bots logging in down to the minute. So having tech hit market before they buy up probably would help your chances.
Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

HellraZor Game profile

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Apr 29th 2018, 16:14:40

That's what I meant by manipulation or exploitation. I tried to figure that out myself but failed. Butt hurt I guess,lol.

ebert00 Game profile

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Apr 29th 2018, 17:34:10

I can assure you of several things about me.
1) I don't ask my friends to buy my tech.
2) I try and beat my friends if I am netting
3) I do not know when the bots login...but that is a good idea. thanks Celphi.
4) my guess is there is significantly less collusion that the normal non top 10ers think. this game is pretty simple if you follow the same strat and make tweaks for what works bwtter.
5) if anyone ever needs netting advice feel free to ask. I will always help those who are nice and ask for help.

Edited By: ebert00 on Apr 29th 2018, 19:11:43. Reason: spelling

drkprinc Game profile

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Apr 29th 2018, 18:47:50

I run 20 countries on this server and buy anything and everything for anyone that plays in LaF or ZZ or IMP
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SuperFly Game profile

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Apr 29th 2018, 19:03:46

Drkprinc Buy my jets please!

KoHeartsGPA Game profile

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Apr 29th 2018, 19:53:36

Ha!, Jayr is a cheater!!!
Mess with me you better kill me, or I'll just take your pride & joy and jack it up
(•_•)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6VRMGTwU4I
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Kingme Game profile

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Apr 29th 2018, 21:27:55

I can confirm that anyone who finishes ahead of me regularly is a cheat.

With that being said, ebert00 is definitely the biggest cheat the express game has ever seen!

ebert00 Game profile

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Apr 29th 2018, 21:41:58

lol kingme. the sad thing is that some people around here actually believe that statement. I know I said it last round. but welcome back. glad u are playing again.

Celphi Game profile

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Apr 29th 2018, 21:45:30

One of these days you're going to have to teach me how to play Commie ebert00.

It's the only govt i have never played.
Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

Kingme Game profile

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Apr 29th 2018, 22:44:28

Originally posted by ebert00:
lol kingme. the sad thing is that some people around here actually believe that statement. I know I said it last round. but welcome back. glad u are playing again.


That was actually this round ;)
I said I would quit, but I stuck it through. Even after a terrible start I've got a top 10 coming. I wouldn't say that I'm back... but we shall see.

Take that beerdrinker!

beerdrinker75 Game profile

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Apr 29th 2018, 22:58:29

lol...looks like you are gonna gain one on me :)

I woke up with 360 (360) and haven't played much today. Now i feel bad about borrowing someone else's name this set.
Just shut up and have another beer

Ratski Game profile

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Apr 30th 2018, 0:54:09

A little secret Maj1 loves to undercut Tech sales, He "Say's it piss's off a lot of guy's in the set." So don't put all your eggs in one basket, for cash flow.

Primeval Game profile

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Apr 30th 2018, 2:29:47

If someone is caught doing this on Express, Primary, or Tournament, you'll be deleted. Just FYI.

KoHeartsGPA Game profile

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Apr 30th 2018, 3:56:25

/me points in the general direction of Jayr.
Mess with me you better kill me, or I'll just take your pride & joy and jack it up
(•_•)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6VRMGTwU4I
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Apr 30th 2018, 5:29:57

Originally posted by Celphi:
Plus- I'm sure some players have the bots logging in down to the minute. So having tech hit market before they buy up probably would help your chances.


Can't, it's random.
Finally did the signature thing.

HellraZor Game profile

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Apr 30th 2018, 13:25:17

Originally posted by qzjul:
Originally posted by Celphi:
Plus- I'm sure some players have the bots logging in down to the minute. So having tech hit market before they buy up probably would help your chances.


Can't, it's random.


Now you tell me ! 😣

HellraZor Game profile

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Apr 30th 2018, 13:27:53

J/K Q ...but seriously thanks for letting us know that and it makes sense.

Gerdler Game profile

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Apr 30th 2018, 13:52:06

Originally posted by Ratski:
A little secret Maj1 loves to undercut Tech sales, He "Say's it piss's off a lot of guy's in the set." So don't put all your eggs in one basket, for cash flow.

I think that he is doing the right thing for strange reasons. The market works in the way it does and it's up to us players to use it to our advantage.

I also undercut a lot. Sometimes I watch the market and see it's going up, at those times I might not undercut.

Ratski Game profile

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Apr 30th 2018, 15:48:32

This brings up a question, dose lower priced tech/bushels/oil sell before the higher priced, tech/bushels/oil on the markets?

sinistril Game profile

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Apr 30th 2018, 15:52:44

yeah 😕
If you give a man some fire, he'll be warm for awhile. If you set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

Marshal Game profile

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Apr 30th 2018, 19:15:15

why wouldn't those?
Patience: Yep, I'm with ELK and Marshal.

ELKronos: Patty is more hairy.

Gallery: K at least I am to my expectations now.

LadyGrizz boobies is fine

NOW3P: Morwen is a much harsher mistress than boredom....

Kingme Game profile

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Apr 30th 2018, 19:25:13

my brain hurts.

Marshal Game profile

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Apr 30th 2018, 20:11:37

take some aspirin.
Patience: Yep, I'm with ELK and Marshal.

ELKronos: Patty is more hairy.

Gallery: K at least I am to my expectations now.

LadyGrizz boobies is fine

NOW3P: Morwen is a much harsher mistress than boredom....

catbus Game profile

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Apr 30th 2018, 20:14:46

I was under the impression that most bots have their turns used up (almost at all times), so there aren’t “specific times that a bot would log in.” I would imagine that tech purchases or defense purchases are at times where they have cash, which is very random-- it can be after using a turn, or after they sell their own product on the markets, which is variable based on when that happens.

Like many have said, this game isn’t that hard—I started 2 months ago, and with some well-placed advice from the nice guys in the community, have been able to do reasonably well, although I still find myself looking up at the end of a set, haha.

The market doesn’t react all that different than real markets, and sometimes is a microcosm of a real market. For example, the price of any asset (you can view this as price of a stock, or price of a commodity, etc.) isn’t the only component to look at when you are evaluating an investment decision. You also have to look at the depth on both sides—of both demand and supply. On EE, I’m sure a number of players (myself included) may decide to cause short term price disruptions on both sides. If there’s a lot of tech offered low, and you have a lot of stock to offload, you would prefer a higher last/current price to encourage tech not being progressively sold lower, by both bots and humans. Yes, sometimes that results in tech being squeezed higher, only to have a massive price drop minutes later when more tech eventually hits the market. Similarly, you may have standing orders to “protect” your own offered price.

In the end, I’m virtually certain that there is close to 0 collusion/teamwork (other than maybe Ratski and his Ponytail, who the mods have been consistent in chopping off). It’s more likely that those who struggle to understand correct strategy (and thus, are not consistent T20 players) are the ones who are encouraged to try to cheat/collude to end up higher (the whole clintonista thread with screenshots is an obvious example). This is a game—a fun game—and a nice community (for the most part). Instead of decrying players that finish well, it would seemingly behoove players to work through how to finish better. Speaking from experience, almost all of the top players are more than willing to help. I’m not a top player, but I am always willing to as well.

Kingme Game profile

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Apr 30th 2018, 21:11:37

Originally posted by catbus:
I was under the impression that most bots have their turns used up (almost at all times), so there aren’t “specific times that a bot would log in.”

I’m not a top player, but I am always willing to as well.


1. I think you might be confused by what you see when you spy. You'll see 0 turns on hand, when in reality that number doesn't budge until the bot logs in. So a bot logs in and plays and doesn't return for say... 4 hours. 3 hours and 59 minutes later you could spy and still see 0 turns on hand. You could look at turns played and it should be 4 hours behind, and that should back-up what I'm saying. Unless things have changed?

2. You just finished in the top 10, that's a "top" player!

Gerdler Game profile

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Apr 30th 2018, 23:37:58

Catbus you are awesome! I have seen you play and you have more ingenuity than most. Keep learning but you are doing awesome!

catbus Game profile

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May 1st 2018, 5:17:43

Kingme-- Interesting-- (1)- I actually didn't know that. (2) Top 10 isn't enough :)

Gerdler-- Thanks for the kind words. It's not so much about beating anyone--- it's about being competitive!! (although it felt good when ebert PMed me and asked if I was you when I was temporarily ahead, haha).

catbus Game profile

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May 1st 2018, 5:41:20

And (3) there are super nice and helpful people on the server. VicVixVi and beerdrinker75/Ashe encouraged me to stay and gave me valuable pointers

It’s cool to see them win. Or ebert. Or gerdler. Bc you keep trying, Clint! You don’t complain.

KoHeartsGPA Game profile

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May 1st 2018, 6:58:13

Nope, he whines!
Mess with me you better kill me, or I'll just take your pride & joy and jack it up
(•_•)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6VRMGTwU4I
-=TSO~DKnights~ICD~XI~LaF=-

S.F. Giants 2010, 2012, 2014 World Series Champions, fluff YEAH!

ov3rlord Game profile

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May 1st 2018, 8:05:22

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Riddler Game profile

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May 7th 2018, 1:42:13

Originally posted by ebert00:
I can assure you of several things about me.
1) I don't ask my friends to buy my tech.
2) I try and beat my friends if I am netting
3) I do not know when the bots login...but that is a good idea. thanks Celphi.
4) my guess is there is significantly less collusion that the normal non top 10ers think. this game is pretty simple if you follow the same strat and make tweaks for what works bwtter.
5) if anyone ever needs netting advice feel free to ask. I will always help those who are nice and ask for help.


A few things about me.
1. I don't have friends
2. If I did they wouldn't play express
3. I'm not smart enough to run bots

KoHeartsGPA Game profile

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May 7th 2018, 8:07:28

4. Meg Myers is HOT in panties
Mess with me you better kill me, or I'll just take your pride & joy and jack it up
(•_•)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6VRMGTwU4I
-=TSO~DKnights~ICD~XI~LaF=-

S.F. Giants 2010, 2012, 2014 World Series Champions, fluff YEAH!

Gerdler Game profile

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May 8th 2018, 0:05:55

^^Great I learned something today. I didn't know who Meg Myers is, still don't, but that seems unimportant in this circumstance.

KoHeartsGPA Game profile

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May 8th 2018, 1:52:30

Mess with me you better kill me, or I'll just take your pride & joy and jack it up
(•_•)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6VRMGTwU4I
-=TSO~DKnights~ICD~XI~LaF=-

S.F. Giants 2010, 2012, 2014 World Series Champions, fluff YEAH!

Marshal Game profile

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May 8th 2018, 13:31:51

she's a songtress who riddler et co "admire" (pg13 version)
Patience: Yep, I'm with ELK and Marshal.

ELKronos: Patty is more hairy.

Gallery: K at least I am to my expectations now.

LadyGrizz boobies is fine

NOW3P: Morwen is a much harsher mistress than boredom....

Jayr Game profile

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May 17th 2018, 18:25:59


Edited By: Jayr on Jul 2nd 2019, 14:12:21
wasn't me...

Riddler Game profile

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May 17th 2018, 19:26:49

Originally posted by Gerdler:
^^Great I learned something today. I didn't know who Meg Myers is, still don't, but that seems unimportant in this circumstance.



Meg Myers is my wife lol, KoH can send you the link to the video


And Meg Myers mention is always relevant!

KoHeartsGPA Game profile

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May 17th 2018, 22:37:26

Link is posted, yummy
Mess with me you better kill me, or I'll just take your pride & joy and jack it up
(•_•)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6VRMGTwU4I
-=TSO~DKnights~ICD~XI~LaF=-

S.F. Giants 2010, 2012, 2014 World Series Champions, fluff YEAH!

drkprinc Game profile

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May 18th 2018, 13:50:28

Originally posted by Riddler:
Originally posted by Gerdler:
^^Great I learned something today. I didn't know who Meg Myers is, still don't, but that seems unimportant in this circumstance.



Meg Myers is my wife lol, KoH can send you the link to the video


And Meg Myers mention is always relevant!


True story I was even there at the wedding to protest it but they still went through with it :(
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HellraZor Game profile

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Jun 9th 2018, 13:44:37

I know I don't have to play but come on ,can't the market be moderated some how. It's amazing how these magical high priced techs sell for just out of the blue. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the pattern.

osloos Game profile

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Jun 9th 2018, 14:29:47

You think weird stuff is happening this set?

VicVixvi Game profile

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Jun 9th 2018, 14:30:51

Originally posted by catbus:
And (3) there are super nice and helpful people on the server. VicVixVi and beerdrinker75/Ashe encouraged me to stay and gave me valuable pointers
...


Don't blame me. I tried to kill him off his second game but he kept coming back :P -v

HellraZor Game profile

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Jun 9th 2018, 14:38:02

Every set if you watch market news. There's team work , a bug being exploited, or nobody else has figured out the bots buying patterns except a select few.

osloos Game profile

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Jun 9th 2018, 14:52:58

Honestly... If that's the worst of it... 100x better than my era