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Red X

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Jun 4th 2019, 23:41:12

Make ABs kill pop

Make other missiles kill pop at a lesser rate then CMs

Make DR for every type of attack to force using other units on KRs.
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sinistril

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Jun 5th 2019, 1:20:27

Originally posted by Red X:
Make ABs kill pop

Make other missiles kill pop at a lesser rate then CMs

Make DR for every type of attack to force using other units on KRs.


Agreed
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Gerdler

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Jun 5th 2019, 8:28:05

This is a proper suggestion.

Gerdler

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Jun 5th 2019, 8:32:22

Maybe I say that because I have been asking for it for years, but the fact that two people so different as me and Red x ask for the same change means its probably a great idea for everyone. I brought the attack specific DR up with QZ a year ago too and he thought it was a great idea, but it stopped at that.

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Jun 5th 2019, 14:23:29

Originally posted by Gerdler:
Maybe I say that because I have been asking for it for years, but the fact that two people so different as me and Red x ask for the same change means its probably a great idea for everyone. I brought the attack specific DR up with QZ a year ago too and he thought it was a great idea, but it stopped at that.


Not sure how I should take that, but I'll take it as a compliment lol

I think it would add spice to the game. Make kill runs more interesting and force hybrid kills.
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Jun 5th 2019, 23:26:00

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Gerdler

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Jun 6th 2019, 1:15:12

Attack specific DR: All successful special attacks(of each type separatly) and missiles(all successful missiles lumped together) produce attack specific DR, that affects all their effects, at a rate 1/20th of the regular DR in play for landgrabs right now. This DR is instantly removed if the target takes a turn, drops land or buys anything from any market. The attack specific DR does not decay. The attack specific DR does not affect the minimum civ kills.

Missiles
Chems: kill 8% of targets population with 15 civ as minimum. Chemical missiles kill 2% of targets buildings. If your pop is below that of the target you kill as much pop as you would if the target had your population. If your buildings are fewer than that of the target you destroy as many buildings as you would if the target had your number of buildings.

EMs: Cruise missiles are weak but targeted so they always kill 5 civ until the target is dead(as well as current effects). Successful cruise missiles also destroy 0.5% of targets SDI tech points. EMs are made the most common missile.

Nukes: Kills 8% of population with 0 as minimum (you cant die to nukes) and 6% of targets land. If your pop is below that of the target you kill as much pop as you would if the target had your population. If your acreage is lower than that of the target you destroy as many acres as you would if the target had your number of acres. Successful nukes also destroy 0.5% of targets tech points and the same amount of military as a cruise missile would. Nukes are made the rarest missile.

Special attacks
ABs: kill half the civilians of a GS but with no minimum. If your pop is below that of the target you kill as much pop as you would if the target had your population. If your buildings are fewer than that of the target you destroy as many buildings as you would if the target had your number of buildings.

Red X

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Jun 6th 2019, 10:12:44

Originally posted by Gerdler:
Attack specific DR: All successful special attacks(of each type separatly) and missiles(all successful missiles lumped together) produce attack specific DR, that affects all their effects, at a rate 1/20th of the regular DR in play for landgrabs right now. This DR is instantly removed if the target takes a turn, drops land or buys anything from any market. The attack specific DR does not decay. The attack specific DR does not affect the minimum civ kills.

Missiles
Chems: kill 8% of targets population with 15 civ as minimum. Chemical missiles kill 2% of targets buildings. If your pop is below that of the target you kill as much pop as you would if the target had your population. If your buildings are fewer than that of the target you destroy as many buildings as you would if the target had your number of buildings.

EMs: Cruise missiles are weak but targeted so they always kill 5 civ until the target is dead(as well as current effects). Successful cruise missiles also destroy 0.5% of targets SDI tech points. EMs are made the most common missile.

Nukes: Kills 8% of population with 0 as minimum (you cant die to nukes) and 6% of targets land. If your pop is below that of the target you kill as much pop as you would if the target had your population. If your acreage is lower than that of the target you destroy as many acres as you would if the target had your number of acres. Successful nukes also destroy 0.5% of targets tech points and the same amount of military as a cruise missile would. Nukes are made the rarest missile.

Special attacks
ABs: kill half the civilians of a GS but with no minimum. If your pop is below that of the target you kill as much pop as you would if the target had your population. If your buildings are fewer than that of the target you destroy as many buildings as you would if the target had your number of buildings.


That looks good
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Jun 7th 2019, 10:34:02

Screw that, people can get out of the way of tanks when they hear them coming. These suggestions suck hard. Consider all the fluffin' and whinin' that goes on about "suiciders" using AB attacks against netters. Do you really want to have the netters up here crying every freakin' day taking up whole forums of space pissing and moaning about how they got killed by some schmuck a tenth their networth because he had tanks? Bwhahahahahahahahhaha
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Gerdler

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Jun 7th 2019, 12:02:44

"ABs: kill half the civilians of a GS but with no minimum."

The attack specific DR forces the attacker to break on more than one area unless they wanna make 800 GS to kill the target, and ABs can't kill at all since they go down to 0 civs killed per attack

Edited By: Gerdler on Jun 7th 2019, 12:05:11

Mister Ed

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Jun 7th 2019, 15:35:28

Originally posted by Red X:
Make ABs kill pop

Make other missiles kill pop at a lesser rate then CMs

Make DR for every type of attack to force using other units on KRs.

You're a mod- have you got any connections to the programmers?

Red X

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Jun 7th 2019, 17:12:19

Originally posted by Mister Ed:
Originally posted by Red X:
Make ABs kill pop

Make other missiles kill pop at a lesser rate then CMs

Make DR for every type of attack to force using other units on KRs.

You're a mod- have you got any connections to the programmers?


I see qz when you all do =p
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Marshal

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Jun 7th 2019, 20:00:42

aka never. since game is running it means he is allive or his body hasn't been found yet.
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Mister Ed

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Jun 9th 2019, 11:48:49

[/quote]

I see qz when you all do =p [/quote]

Is that his username? qz?

Marshal

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Jun 9th 2019, 15:27:46

qzjul is his username but most just call him qz.
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Mister Ed

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Jun 10th 2019, 3:24:24

Originally posted by Marshal:
qzjul is his username but most just call him qz.

Is there an article about this game on Wikipedia?

Marshal

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Jun 10th 2019, 19:08:27

yes and no
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Mister Ed

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Jun 11th 2019, 20:16:23

Just checked http://www.wikipedia.org and it's a "No"

Marshal

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Jun 11th 2019, 20:51:24

ee has its on wiki but atm its ssl-cert is f'ed up.
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Mister Ed

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Jun 12th 2019, 11:00:35

Originally posted by Marshal:
ee has its on wiki but atm its ssl-cert is f'ed up.

Not the same as an article on Wikipedia though. The article would have the history of ownership changes, etc.

sinistril

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Jun 12th 2019, 11:11:31

Originally posted by Mister Ed:
Originally posted by Marshal:
ee has its on wiki but atm its ssl-cert is f'ed up.

Not the same as an article on Wikipedia though. The article would have the history of ownership changes, etc.


Yes, it does
https://bit.ly/1jpwJZY

My personal Wikipedia page
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Mister Ed

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Jun 12th 2019, 14:15:54

[/quote]

Yes, it does
https://bit.ly/1jpwJZY

My personal Wikipedia page
https://bit.ly/2oiwCpj [/quote]
Originally posted by sinistril:
Originally posted by Mister Ed:
Originally posted by Marshal:
ee has its on wiki but atm its ssl-cert is f'ed up.

Not the same as an article on Wikipedia though. The article would have the history of ownership changes, etc.


Yes, it does
https://bit.ly/1jpwJZY

My personal Wikipedia page
https://bit.ly/2oiwCpj


I said there is no article about "this game"(referencing earthempires.com) and there is not.

Marshal

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Jun 12th 2019, 14:20:59

ee has its own wiki.
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Mister Ed

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Jun 13th 2019, 3:36:27

Originally posted by Marshal:
ee has its own wiki.

Not the same thing as an article on wikipedia

Primeval

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Jun 13th 2019, 3:40:43

Acquire or campaign more support and the developers may seriously consider it.

Red X

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Jun 13th 2019, 3:42:17

Originally posted by Primeval:
Acquire or campaign more support and the developers may seriously consider it.


This thread ain't enough? Should I start a petion for people to sign it something lol
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Primeval

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Jun 13th 2019, 3:43:54

Originally posted by Red X:


This thread ain't enough? ... lol



Sure. But others seemed confused why this thread did not suddenly create near-immediate change.

Hunter

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Jun 13th 2019, 8:43:28

[/quote]

This thread ain't enough? Should I start a petion for people to sign it something lol [/quote]

👍🏻

Red X

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Jun 24th 2019, 3:31:19

Originally posted by Primeval:
Originally posted by Red X:


This thread ain't enough? ... lol



Sure. But others seemed confused why this thread did not suddenly create near-immediate change.



Oh kayyy
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qzjul

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Jun 27th 2019, 15:56:04

*pokes in head*

I still like the idea of nerfing suiciders, as long as it can be done without nerfing warfare; I think Gerdler's ideas look good.

Biggest issue is that the code base is hard to deal with at this point. Needs refactoring.

I'd like to finish the API first, but then we could get into tweaks


The wiki is a little messed up since the migration, ya...
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Gerdler

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Jun 27th 2019, 17:23:29

Basically right now, in EE standards, when Luxemburg uses its gold/cash reserve to buy up tanks and AB the US, the result is that all buildings in all states except Alaska, Hawaii, North Dakota, Colorado, Kentucky and Maine are turned into rubble, the crops burned and the ground salted all in the first two hours of the war. A little bit too much damage. Thats why I want the damage reduced for most things to:

Attack_Constant*MStrat*Govt_Mod*NW_Mod*Min(Targets_Resource,Attackers_Resource)

Right now Special attacks and landgrabs are unlimited by your own resource which doesnt matter much in most wars but matters a lot for landgrabs and suiciders making them way too powerful especially since the NW modifyer punishes you so hard in the retaliation usually

sinistril

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Jun 27th 2019, 22:50:07

Originally posted by Gerdler:
Basically right now, in EE standards, when Luxemburg uses its gold/cash reserve to buy up tanks and AB the US, the result is that all buildings in all states except Alaska, Hawaii, North Dakota, Colorado, Kentucky and Maine are turned into rubble, the crops burned and the ground salted all in the first two hours of the war. A little bit too much damage. Thats why I want the damage reduced for most things to:

Attack_Constant*MStrat*Govt_Mod*NW_Mod*Min(Targets_Resource,Attackers_Resource)

Right now Special attacks and landgrabs are unlimited by your own resource which doesnt matter much in most wars but matters a lot for landgrabs and suiciders making them way too powerful especially since the NW modifyer punishes you so hard in the retaliation usually


True. I've had only a few instances where my own / my enemies resource actually reached its limit. The current set up is like having a football net in a hockey match.
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Jul 3rd 2019, 2:12:34

i think if we had a cool down period like 5 mins every 100 attacks would make it harder to kill people.
just another dumb idea by mob
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Jul 3rd 2019, 5:13:02

X needs to be finished before completing Y. That's the story of EE development / changes the last couple years.
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Red X

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Jul 15th 2019, 3:52:21

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Brigg

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Jul 15th 2019, 11:37:54

Originally posted by Red X:
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These warfare suggestions are ones I also had in mind when proposing the 7th server. I really like all of this!

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Jul 16th 2019, 22:20:04

Originally posted by Gerdler:
Right now Special attacks and landgrabs are unlimited by your own resource which doesnt matter much in most wars but matters a lot for landgrabs and suiciders making them way too powerful especially since the NW modifyer punishes you so hard in the retaliation usually


100% nailed it.

Red X

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Nov 18th 2019, 16:47:14

Brining this to the top again since changes have been going on
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Nov 22nd 2019, 19:21:24

Originally posted by Red X:

Make DR for every type of attack to force using other units on KRs.

This will make it seriously difficult to complete an Express solo kill.

Gerdler

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Nov 23rd 2019, 3:52:23

I think you should increase the base civ kills of the BR and GS attacks to compensate for that. Make it so that a hybrid kill takes fewer turns than today and a GS kill or a BR kill on its own takes more turns than today.