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Marshal

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Aug 10th 2019, 10:20:03

Hide videogames with violence but keep guns visible.
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sinistril

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Aug 10th 2019, 10:47:23

Funny thing is the video game industry has surpassed the gun industry in terms of value afaik (obviously ignoring military purchases). Unfortunately, usually gamers have to do their own lobbying (gamergate)
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Gerdler

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Aug 10th 2019, 10:49:41

Everyone has videogames/PC games with violence lol.

It's scary that innocent victims can be targeted by ignorance. :P

Here's some food for thought: Everyone has video games, in all the public health markers of psycological disorders and mental illness the US ranks better than Scandinavia, Japan and a few others. So these explainations while having no basis in science, they also have no supporting evidence in practice either.

Doesn't mean they are wrong it just means its about as likely to be the reason as just about anything else. :)

Meanwhile this can kill your gaming industry or move it abroad if it persists, which will cost you money and high end jobs.

And the mass shootings will continue if anyone cares about them. I don't know if you should care about them tho, its still very rare to die in a mass shooting. They are just very good at hogging the attention.

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Aug 10th 2019, 13:53:41

https://twitter.com/...rophysicist-on-twitter%2F

Apparently some people do not understand what he is saying? If you need help ask and I will translate it for you.

mrford

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Aug 10th 2019, 15:04:21

stolen from reddit


The ACTUAL facts about gun violence in America

There are about 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, this number is not disputed. (1)

U.S. population 328 million as of January 2018. (2)

Do the math: 0.00915% of the population dies from gun related actions each year.

Statistically speaking, this is insignificant. It's not even a rounding error.

What is not insignificant, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths:

• 22,938 (76%) are by suicide which can't be prevented by gun laws (3)

• 987 (3%) are by law enforcement, thus not relevant to Gun Control discussion. (4)

• 489 (2%) are accidental (5)

So no, "gun violence" isn't 30,000 annually, but rather 5,577... 0.0017% of the population.

Still too many? Let's look at location:

298 (5%) - St Louis, MO (6)

327 (6%) - Detroit, MI (6)

328 (6%) - Baltimore, MD (6)

764 (14%) - Chicago, IL (6)

That's over 30% of all gun crime. In just 4 cities.

This leaves 3,856 for for everywhere else in America... about 77 deaths per state. Obviously some States have higher rates than others

Yes, 5,577 is absolutely horrific, but let's think for a minute...

But what about other deaths each year?

70,000+ die from a drug overdose (7)

49,000 people die per year from the flu (8)

37,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities (9)

Now it gets interesting:

250,000+ people die each year from preventable medical errors. (10) You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!

610,000 people die per year from heart disease (11) Even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save about twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.).

A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides.

Simple, easily preventable, 10% reductions!

We don't have a gun problem... We have a political agenda and media sensationalism problem.

——sources——

https://www.cdc.gov/...nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

https://everytownresearch.org/firearm-suicide/

https://www.cdc.gov/...es/2015_ed_web_tables.pdf

https://www.washingtonpost.com/...gs-2017/?tid=a_inl_manual

https://www.latimes.com/...eaths-20180101-story.html

https://247wallst.com/...th-the-most-gun-violence/ (stats halved as reported statistics cover 2 years, single year statistics not found)

https://www.drugabuse.gov/...tics/overdose-death-rates

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/faq.htm

https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/...ic/ViewPublication/812603

https://www.google.com/...-of-death-in-america.html

https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm

Edit: this is copy and paste from my comment below that I supplement this data even further:

There’s two things his post leaves out from the 5,577 killed from gun violence.

80% of those are gang related

Second, he mentions justified homicide by police officer but not citizens.

Law enforcement reported 665 justifiable homicides in 2010. Of those, law enforcement officers justifiably killed 387 felons, and private citizens justifiably killed 278 people during the commission of a crime.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/...panded/expandhomicidemain

Between 2007 and 2017, citizens averaged 329 justified homicides.

https://www.statista.com/...able-homicides-in-the-us/

That means if you are not in a gang (80% of 5,577 = 1,115) or planning on commiting a crime against a person (1,115 - 329) there is only a 0.00000238906 (786/329,000,000) percent chance of being killed by a firearm.

0.00000238906
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Getafix

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Aug 10th 2019, 15:09:57

Someone has turned Marshal into a puppet

Gerdler

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Aug 10th 2019, 15:57:03

What is not insignificant, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths:

• 22,938 (76%) are by suicide which can't be prevented by gun laws (3)

• 987 (3%) are by law enforcement, thus not relevant to Gun Control discussion. (4)

• 489 (2%) are accidental (5)

So no, "gun violence" isn't 30,000 annually, but rather 5,577... 0.0017% of the population.

By what weird logic are gun related suicides not directly tied to the abundance of firearms?

Same thing with law enforcement, how often would they have to use lethal force if firearms were not as abundant?

Do I actually have to say anything about the accidental deaths lol? It goes without saying that they are almost directly proportional to the number of firearms in circulation.

That said its still a low number. So why are you attacking the gaming industry?

Makinso

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Aug 10th 2019, 16:57:42

Originally posted by Gerdler:
What is not insignificant, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths:

• 22,938 (76%) are by suicide which can't be prevented by gun laws (3)

• 987 (3%) are by law enforcement, thus not relevant to Gun Control discussion. (4)

• 489 (2%) are accidental (5)

So no, "gun violence" isn't 30,000 annually, but rather 5,577... 0.0017% of the population.

By what weird logic are gun related suicides not directly tied to the abundance of firearms?

Same thing with law enforcement, how often would they have to use lethal force if firearms were not as abundant?

Do I actually have to say anything about the accidental deaths lol? It goes without saying that they are almost directly proportional to the number of firearms in circulation.

That said its still a low number. So why are you attacking the gaming industry?



There is a ton of research into if violent games promote agressive or violent behavior in teens/adolescents. Ive written a review about those studies long ago. If memory serves me right: i reviewed 11 studies of which 9 concluded aggresive or violent behavior correlated with violent gaming, HOWEVER:

These exact same studies pointed out that all subjects showing violent and/or agressive behavior also had many other factors correlating. Like psychological pathology (anywhere from depressions to very heavy personality disorders), low social and or economic status, broken or divorced family problems, being victim of neglect or abuse, receiving mental healthcare, academic problems and being raised by parents with an authority based parenting style instead of an autoritative based parenting style.

So base conclusion was gaming can promote agressive behavior but only if other factors pre-exist in a subject.
Researcher stressed the risks of gaming addiction more, as their “healthy” test subjects actually had the same rate of addiction based problems as their “unhealthy” subjects.

Marshal

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Aug 10th 2019, 19:15:09

Originally posted by Getafix:
Someone has turned Marshal into a puppet


No just wondering Walmart's logic to hide videogames but not guns.
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Getafix

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Aug 10th 2019, 19:17:17

That's great Marshal. Wondering is good. Keep up the good work!

KoHeartsGPA

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Aug 10th 2019, 19:44:18

Originally posted by Gerdler:
What is not insignificant, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths:

• 22,938 (76%) are by suicide which can't be prevented by gun laws (3)

• 987 (3%) are by law enforcement, thus not relevant to Gun Control discussion. (4)

• 489 (2%) are accidental (5)

So no, "gun violence" isn't 30,000 annually, but rather 5,577... 0.0017% of the population.

By what weird logic are gun related suicides not directly tied to the abundance of firearms?

Same thing with law enforcement, how often would they have to use lethal force if firearms were not as abundant?

Do I actually have to say anything about the accidental deaths lol? It goes without saying that they are almost directly proportional to the number of firearms in circulation.

That said its still a low number. So why are you attacking the gaming industry?


You can jump off a bridge or building, cut your wrists deep enough, drop a connected toaster in the bathtub, swallow certain pills or poison, you really don't need access to a gun to kill yourself, maybe that's why it isn't tied? Dunno.

People getting drunk/high and getting behind the wheel are more deadly than the 300+ million guns in the US, and yet we don't give it the same scrutiny.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people, you don't need a firearm to cause mayhem.
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Savage

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Aug 10th 2019, 20:42:16

I could be wrong here. I think most people have accepted that for the most part gun control isn’t going to happen in the US. There are already 400 million guns in circulation, there is no way to control that.

People do seem to be looking for new assault rifle bans. Seems reasonable to me. You might be able to limit some of the damage these mentally deficient people cause.

DerrickICN

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Aug 10th 2019, 20:54:21

Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
Originally posted by Gerdler:
What is not insignificant, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths:

• 22,938 (76%) are by suicide which can't be prevented by gun laws (3)

• 987 (3%) are by law enforcement, thus not relevant to Gun Control discussion. (4)

• 489 (2%) are accidental (5)

So no, "gun violence" isn't 30,000 annually, but rather 5,577... 0.0017% of the population.

By what weird logic are gun related suicides not directly tied to the abundance of firearms?

Same thing with law enforcement, how often would they have to use lethal force if firearms were not as abundant?

Do I actually have to say anything about the accidental deaths lol? It goes without saying that they are almost directly proportional to the number of firearms in circulation.

That said its still a low number. So why are you attacking the gaming industry?


You can jump off a bridge or building, cut your wrists deep enough, drop a connected toaster in the bathtub, swallow certain pills or poison, you really don't need access to a gun to kill yourself, maybe that's why it isn't tied? Dunno.

People getting drunk/high and getting behind the wheel are more deadly than the 300+ million guns in the US, and yet we don't give it the same scrutiny.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people, you don't need a firearm to cause mayhem.

I'm pretty sure you need a license to drive a car. If you are mentally ill, they typically medically examine you to see if you are fit to drive, and make you take a driving assessment.

Drunk driving is still a huge problem, but drivers licensing absolutely is given more scrutiny than gun ownership.

KoHeartsGPA

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Aug 10th 2019, 22:56:09

Originally posted by DerrickICN:
Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
Originally posted by Gerdler:
What is not insignificant, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths:

• 22,938 (76%) are by suicide which can't be prevented by gun laws (3)

• 987 (3%) are by law enforcement, thus not relevant to Gun Control discussion. (4)

• 489 (2%) are accidental (5)

So no, "gun violence" isn't 30,000 annually, but rather 5,577... 0.0017% of the population.

By what weird logic are gun related suicides not directly tied to the abundance of firearms?

Same thing with law enforcement, how often would they have to use lethal force if firearms were not as abundant?

Do I actually have to say anything about the accidental deaths lol? It goes without saying that they are almost directly proportional to the number of firearms in circulation.

That said its still a low number. So why are you attacking the gaming industry?


You can jump off a bridge or building, cut your wrists deep enough, drop a connected toaster in the bathtub, swallow certain pills or poison, you really don't need access to a gun to kill yourself, maybe that's why it isn't tied? Dunno.

People getting drunk/high and getting behind the wheel are more deadly than the 300+ million guns in the US, and yet we don't give it the same scrutiny.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people, you don't need a firearm to cause mayhem.

I'm pretty sure you need a license to drive a car. If you are mentally ill, they typically medically examine you to see if you are fit to drive, and make you take a driving assessment.

Drunk driving is still a huge problem, but drivers licensing absolutely is given more scrutiny than gun ownership.


I have several good friends in law enforcement, some are sheriff, one a state patrol, you'd be surprised of how many people they pull over with either suspended or no drivers license at all.
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DerrickICN

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Aug 10th 2019, 23:15:44

Yeah and I'm sure crazy people will still be able to acquire guns, but I'm just saying we do actually at least have rules governing the license to drive. It's far more regulated than guns.

KoHeartsGPA

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Aug 10th 2019, 23:48:10

Originally posted by DerrickICN:
Yeah and I'm sure crazy people will still be able to acquire guns, but I'm just saying we do actually at least have rules governing the license to drive. It's far more regulated than guns.


And yet people that shouldn't still get behind the wheel, lots of them.
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Gerdler

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Aug 11th 2019, 0:10:05

I have a car and more than one rifle. I need a license to own the guns but only a license to drive the car, not to own it. If someone took my car away or my drivers license I would be fluffed lol. If I somehow lost my guns I would save money and find other hobbies and perhaps save a lot of money. I wouldn't be cool with it but I absolutely don't need them to function like I do my car.

Edited By: Gerdler on Aug 11th 2019, 2:24:48

Requiem

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Aug 11th 2019, 2:15:16

I’m glad we can solve all of our problems here on http://www.earthempires.com. Everyone values your opinion. Keep posting it.

The_Hawk

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Aug 11th 2019, 2:33:09

Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
Originally posted by DerrickICN:
Yeah and I'm sure crazy people will still be able to acquire guns, but I'm just saying we do actually at least have rules governing the license to drive. It's far more regulated than guns.


And yet people that shouldn't still get behind the wheel, lots of them.


We have rules governing both Derrick. Luckily you can get denied buying and owning a gun due to already strict back ground checks. Only thing denying you from a car is the loan process.
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Requiem

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Aug 11th 2019, 2:42:43

Originally posted by The_Hawk:
Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
Originally posted by DerrickICN:
Yeah and I'm sure crazy people will still be able to acquire guns, but I'm just saying we do actually at least have rules governing the license to drive. It's far more regulated than guns.


And yet people that shouldn't still get behind the wheel, lots of them.


We have rules governing both Derrick. Luckily you can get denied buying and owning a gun due to already strict back ground checks. Only thing denying you from a car is the loan process.


If Derrick can buy a gun that’s proof that the system is fluffed!