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DerrickICN

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Jan 20th 2019, 21:41:05

Careful req. That's a very long wormhole that eventually ends with you gaining respect for people who attempt variety.

None of us who war on this server are very popular or under worked. It takes a ton a ton a ton of actual work to keep things fresh and not be fluffheads to people, and most of the time you just end up pissing people off anyways. The easy routes for a warleader is often the ones that makes you look like the biggest douche. I understand why they took the easy road, why they got tagkilled that set and how they genuinely would have thought it was the smartest and simplest decision. Similar outcome for lazy sol leadership now.

Not to whip out the, "you fools" repertoire, but the icn reunion mashing of laf, the tie reunion server war, the rage 100 war, team 100th anniversary war, hell even spooge...

All of that coordination coming together takes me probably 20 to 30 hours per set of tracking down leaders and exchanging messages and getting in arguements about dates and pissing off people who have to work the day of the fs, and then maki doesnt know how to read a clock so we have to move it back a day and I have to deal with more members crying because they work on the new day, etc. 20 to 30 hours may even by understated. It's a fluffload of work. But I do love this game so I go hard on warleaders who fail to at least let me do the work for them. But if you think that job is easy you've clearly never led a warclan. Because you've obviously never faced the decision of 30+ hours of work or just fs a tag like PDM and make my members happy without having to spend hours a day for two weeks talking to people you dont even like.

You guys know I go hard as anyone when a warclan decides to take the lazy route. I've done it to imag before and I'm doing it to sol now. But to look at a netter taking shots at a dog for not putting in 30 hours of work is a little....like you dont get it.

Think about this. When you me weezy zelow put our war just the 4 of us together, weve had over 2 hours of discussions and that's just 4 people.

I posture myself as a patriot to a decent war and will do everything I can every set to make it great. But most players just wanna log in and play their turns and make sure their guys are happy. I just find that, personally, to be unacceptable for leaders of war clans and I demand a higher level of activity. The same cant be said for netting clans whose leadership does not have to face a fluff ton of work, especially with elders defending attacks for many of the small tag netters and even sometimes laf.

That said I'd kinda frown about a netter fluffting on sol this/last set because the netters didnt put the work in either. No one did.

Cuban raises the point from the way a warleader thinks of it....work. Your conversation with breeze is clearly not a dog perspective.

Edited By: DerrickICN on Jan 20th 2019, 22:08:42
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breeze

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Jan 20th 2019, 22:12:20

Originally posted by Requiem:
Originally posted by breeze:
Originally posted by Requiem:
@Breeze, How about your FS against PDM a while back? iMag has been one of the worst things for this game and you are part of that. I'm sorry your memory is failing you in old age. Also who said I was leaving the game?

https://www.earthempires.com/...radigm-45111?t=1526541799


Yes Im old and your link you put up didnt say anthing but we FS'd Paradigm. So what was your point? Also may I add that ended up to be a good thing for both sides.


I guess my point is you’re not only bad at the game but also full of fluff! Nothing more to be said.



Here you go running your mouth again. Why don't you get over your problem. Your are a trash talking piece of fluff and I sure haven't seen much out of you especially this set. You are one cancer in the game that needs to go away.

Edited By: breeze on Jan 20th 2019, 22:17:34

ZEN

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Jan 20th 2019, 23:04:23

Im so sick of these posts. Do you not think the devs work hard trying to revive an archaic game? Has anyone funded them recently? How about we try to assist in what they need to get to the next level?

This game has always been about its community. Which is starting to turn on itself and consume. Some of us have played this game for 20+ years (not consistently mind you). I gather those people will still be here when updates happen and will be a pillar in welcoming new people to the game.

The weak parts of the community will be a blip on the historical timeline. So don't think you will matter in the long run.

You want to help with the state of the game? Ask how you can. Advertising. Posting on other games boards. Working with other similar game types to co-advertise. An elephant doesn't get eaten in one bite, it gets eaten one bite at time.

This post is not directed at Cuban, btw. It is directed at anyone who thinks it is easy to develop and better a game that doesn't receive large amounts of funding nor has help from any of its community.

DerrickICN

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Jan 21st 2019, 0:28:00

I feel like the same could be said about the players who do FA and make wars. It's a rare breed...

I hope the old guard trades in their hats fast and let's kids step into leadership quickly. There simply isnt a reason why a 30 man tag can exist bullying small tags and having no allies or communication. In the old days having no allies and pissing off every tag on the server was a death warrant. Now we just make excuses for complacency.

I for one can't wait to stop warleading and working my ass off for a decent war every set while lazy people ruin it. I'm ready for a new recruit to lead elders into the next generation of activity. Until then I'll be trying my best to make war decent for the remaining community, will be waiting to help teach a new generation of players, and anticipating the day I step out of the limelight into the shadows. And at last I'll rest.

Until then, if you want a decent war with me I'd find a way to contact me. If only to make it slightly easier for me and because I'll know most if not all the tags who want into wars set to set. Been that way for a while. A point that's lost on inactive leadership.

If you kill an architect while he's building, the future residents will need a new home. If you have no care for displacement you've caused, you'll be attacked.

For the record I contacted sol directly and told them elders and rage were doing a friendly war with imag and stones and got the response "sounds like fun." Then I hear they're acting surprised that rage hit them. Like cmon. You know they have warbuilds, you know you ruined their war, and now you're surprised they hit you? Either you're that stupid or that clueless. I'll assume it's the latter and a product of laziness and not paying attn because I just cant bring myself to settle on y'all being that stupid.

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Sixkill

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Jan 21st 2019, 1:23:59

50k land and 11m nw is a warbuild? You need to get off the dope. If you're not on drugs, then you should see a specialist(psychiatrist, dealer, plug, whatever) and possibly see about getting on some.

galleri

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Jan 21st 2019, 1:29:15

No one needs to go away.

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i sure hope this galleri person isn't anoniem on drag *cringes*
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DerrickICN

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Jan 21st 2019, 2:34:31

I dont train people to build, six. Not my department. Do you want proof sol knew they had intended to war? I can screen cap myself telling that directly to sol leadership. It was about the only conversation we had this set. At the time sol leadership agreed with me (I guess lies?) that the same war every set was stupid and told me to have fun in my war with rage. Straight up.

DerrickICN

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Jan 21st 2019, 2:44:57

Largely the reason I didnt care about the broken pact last set until now is because frankly I didnt have a better option for war and that's legitimately my only concern.

This blindside attempted to leave 2 parties out of war that sol knew wanted in, and cost us a war most parties would rather have. It irritated me because I've been so transparent about the fact that the best war and the funnest war with all people who want to war involved should be the goal. You can fluff with my clan al you want but coming between me and my wars intentionally and trying to tell people they cant participate is whack, yo.

Requiem

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Jan 21st 2019, 14:23:10

Originally posted by breeze:
Originally posted by Requiem:
Originally posted by breeze:
Originally posted by Requiem:
@Breeze, How about your FS against PDM a while back? iMag has been one of the worst things for this game and you are part of that. I'm sorry your memory is failing you in old age. Also who said I was leaving the game?

https://www.earthempires.com/...radigm-45111?t=1526541799


Yes Im old and your link you put up didnt say anthing but we FS'd Paradigm. So what was your point? Also may I add that ended up to be a good thing for both sides.


I guess my point is you’re not only bad at the game but also full of fluff! Nothing more to be said.



Here you go running your mouth again. Why don't you get over your problem. Your are a trash talking piece of fluff and I sure haven't seen much out of you especially this set. You are one cancer in the game that needs to go away.



You're one dimensional. My problem with iMag is valid and it once affected me directly so I have the right to "have your problem". You can do something to change my opinion or you can keep being delusional.

With that said I'll quit talking about iMag (unless you pull some more stupid fluff) as my goal isn't to just piss you off.

Edited By: Requiem on Jan 21st 2019, 14:31:50

Kat

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Jan 22nd 2019, 1:55:34

Let's sum this conflict up in a nice little over-exaggerated, completely fabricated/estimated ratio of 9:1 cause... i'm not going to sit there and count all you people. Kthx.

The 90% being the amount of clans that claim to be netting clans that pretend they'll war (when they get around to it sometime this year) and will pact out every set and avoid war at all costs, then get mad when their pacts get broken.

The 10% being the clans that actively want to war and have no one to war with except the same people over and over again who will sometimes tag jump to switch up the teams and make it slightly more interesting.

Obviously there's some discrepancy here since it's WAY easier for the 10% to mess with the 90%'s set and drag them into an involuntary war. Whoever heard of a netter messing up a warrer's set by netting them to pieces? Lol. Best case scenario for a netter avoiding war is to jump out of range and stock at a higher NW, costing resources and jeopardizing their finish OR waste valuable cashing turns on making hits... with the same results.

In short... Derrick is right. Crap... did I say that out loud? ;)

You've gotta be a fluff to be a war leader in this game or you'll never get to war.

mrcuban

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Jan 22nd 2019, 6:02:42

Originally posted by galleri:
No one needs to go away.


Galleri is right, nobody needs go away.

The more the merrier at the point.

UgolinoII

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Jan 22nd 2019, 16:17:31

Originally posted by Sixkill:
50k land and 11m nw is a warbuild? You need to get off the dope. If you're not on drugs, then you should see a specialist(psychiatrist, dealer, plug, whatever) and possibly see about getting on some.


Its hardly a netting build ;D

Pang

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Jan 22nd 2019, 17:42:13

Thanks again for the baby wellwishes from those who joined the thread later :)

And to reiterate what a few others have said, no one should feel like they need to "go"

I was of the opinion back when I lowered my involvement in the game/community/etc several years ago from "active development" to "maintenance" that there were factions and attitudes I hoped would fizzle out and, to a large extent, they have. The era in which EE started and few years after that point was one of the most toxic in Earth's history and I'm happy to see that has largely passed.

The community base in which we start building things back up again will hopefully be stronger and more resilient to future attempts to bring flufftiness into the community.

But like I said before, thanks to everyone who has taken part for their commitment to the community -- especially those that have helped with mentoring, leadership and continuing the legacy of this great community.
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mrcuban

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Jan 22nd 2019, 22:02:38

Well said PANG.

I want it to be said that this post when created came from a position of the future, not of what is current or has been.

People can get pissed off with these type of posts, but in the end nothing is changing and my concern is that the decline will be permanent. We keep thinking this game will be around forever but it won't. There is a point where the game is unplayable and people won't even login to run turns. And I don't want to see that happen, especially a community with such a history as EE.

I'm happy to continue this conversation via PM PANG to see this move forward.

myrddn

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Jan 30th 2019, 20:54:58

Is there any chance some of these larger alliances can fragment and make smaller tags so Alliance server is more exciting?

Marshal

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Jan 30th 2019, 21:08:23

yes, somewhere between 0.1% and 1%
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Requiem

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Jan 30th 2019, 21:15:47

.99999999 = 1

DerrickICN

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Jan 31st 2019, 3:27:49

I doubt that seriously myrddn. Laf certainly won't stop recruiting or intentionally split or anything. Sheer numbers provides protection by nature and they'll always have a few dogs willing to kill anyone who messes with their nettering. It's frankly the old model for successful netting tags and they're doing it right. They enjoy their place as the top tag and it's hard to blame them. Sol could split for parity sake in friendly wars but I think their members like low expectations and showing up for the same lazy war and a few beers every set. I think you'd be hard pressed to turn up the dozen warleaders/fa/ia/prez that want to be active and support the community. I'd even throw out there that the leadership they have now is damn near impossible to contact. I think that's primarily because it's a lazy tag playing out the what they see as the last few wars or something.

The point I guess I have in all of this is that a new community with new members will bring in new kids who want to lead again. I'd be way more apt to assume growth in the game would change the dynamics far more than splitting into tags with even more inactive impossible to contact leadership.

DerrickICN

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Jan 31st 2019, 3:36:43

Simply put, I'd be willing to teach anyone in this game how to sign appropriate pacts, how to run a warbot, how to do target selection, how to win ffa or team, how to t10 express etc. I'm completely 100% willing to teach even people in other clans what I know, friend or foe. I've had a chat about the expenses bonus from MBRs in 3 different clan chats just this week. But to be honest, I havent run into too many people who want to learn to warlead or learn to be FA or anything of the sort in ages.

Netters are happy to just net in silence, dogs just want a target. We're an old tired community that's stuck in our ways and while upward mobility is totally possible in tags, none of you old farts want the job. My biggest fear for a future influx of members lies purely in this community being too lazy to support and teach. It will be a complete mess because the server will be unprepared to face a group of active youngins and teach them what we know. The only clan I have faith in doing that is unfortunately LaF. The others will likely be suicided hard and unable, hell unwilling, to be active enough not only to defend themselves, but to teach new kids to play it well.

Another fear is that we do teach them but dont give them the positions they ought to have from an activity perspective. I remember ICNs inactive leadership era. It caused me to quit the game out of boredom for nearly a decade. Elders activity brought me back. LoC's activity in FFA made me stay.

Edited By: DerrickICN on Jan 31st 2019, 3:46:59
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Dark Demon

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Feb 1st 2019, 20:23:52

derrick sucks
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DerrickICN

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Feb 1st 2019, 21:42:27

That's really what I meant.

myrddn

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Feb 2nd 2019, 7:14:56

ugh I miss the old days ... How do we get people to join EE?

bug03

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Feb 2nd 2019, 10:31:11

Originally posted by Marshal:
1st set was in solariagames and 1st there was just standard and then tourny and then alliances and tags were added to standard (to game a rest b etc were untaggeds) and then came tourny and then came FFA and then limited was added and standard changed name to primary and later alliance was formed and primary/standard came to be server its today and solaria chaged to eesite which changed to swirve.

earth2025.net was sof's hosting site for their alliances (alliances and limited) and earth2025.com might been used shortly between solariagames and eesite.


I’m old

Marshal

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Feb 2nd 2019, 11:38:08

oh look at those grey hairs. :P
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Cerberus

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Feb 6th 2019, 10:23:29

Originally posted by mrcuban:
If SOL didn't decide to have the same boring war again with Stones / Elders this would be another set of netters grabbing bot countries? I'm struggling here to understand why nothing is being done about this game?

AT is dead and the game is dead. There wasn't even a reason SOL declared on stones / Elders except give there members something to do to keep them playing...

Its such a shame how this has all turned out. When i was playing in small tags in earth2025 and wishing for LAF to die as the relentless farming of small tags, telling them that kind of behaviour will kill this game. I guess I'm kinda right...

LAF are here now, netting against themselves...SOL is here but for how long? How many sets can you drum up a story for your members as to why you fight Elders / Stones again?

Nobody is even grabbing anyone anymore..


That is because most of the players at the top are PANGERS, or Pansy-Assed Net Gainers. They will NOT under any circumstances grab from another powerful tag because they are worried about being retaliated upon by the other guy. So, why do that when you can safely grab tiny amounts of land from tiny little countries that have no possibility to retaliate a hit short of using missiles, which gets them killed off pronto as a suicider. Thus, we have a whole generation of players who are nothing more than sheep grazing on the grass of the newbies, untagged, and bots. There is no competition in this game other than who can manipulate the market the best.
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Mr Gainsboro

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Feb 6th 2019, 13:01:31

Originally posted by Cerberus:

That is because most of the players at the top are PANGERS, or Pansy-Assed Net Gainers. They will NOT under any circumstances grab from another powerful tag because they are worried about being retaliated upon by the other guy. So, why do that when you can safely grab tiny amounts of land from tiny little countries that have no possibility to retaliate a hit short of using missiles, which gets them killed off pronto as a suicider. Thus, we have a whole generation of players who are nothing more than sheep grazing on the grass of the newbies, untagged, and bots. There is no competition in this game other than who can manipulate the market the best.


Perhaps if you invested as much time into your country as the netters do your country would look better?
What alliance are you playing in?
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KoHeartsGPA

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Feb 6th 2019, 15:15:43

Originally posted by Mr Gainsboro:
Originally posted by Cerberus:

That is because most of the players at the top are PANGERS, or Pansy-Assed Net Gainers. They will NOT under any circumstances grab from another powerful tag because they are worried about being retaliated upon by the other guy. So, why do that when you can safely grab tiny amounts of land from tiny little countries that have no possibility to retaliate a hit short of using missiles, which gets them killed off pronto as a suicider. Thus, we have a whole generation of players who are nothing more than sheep grazing on the grass of the newbies, untagged, and bots. There is no competition in this game other than who can manipulate the market the best.


Perhaps if you invested as much time into your country as the netters do your country would look better?
What alliance are you playing in?


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