and now LaF declines out of the top :/

Sabotage jets?

plz make it happen!!!

Evo has done nothing wrong so stop trying to turn this into something it isn't

NOW, if #485 starts to "Retal" other clans besides EVO, then that will be a problem...

that wasn't a real FS, you knew things had escalated and we where likely to hit... those don't/shouldn't do as much damage as a surprise TIE!!! kind of FS :P

also I want to ask something, does GDI reduce the gains in attacks? because when hitting I noticed I was killing more civs than the rest even if our tech levels where fairly similar.

well having 90% of our tag in GDI because an earlier suicide doesn't help at all with the war effort and worse is that most can't/couldn't leave because they used the GDI bonus.

I never joined GDI (one of the 6 countries that didn't) because I knew is more trouble than what is worth, and you have to agree with that, having little stock, weaker war techs, and forced GDI is a huge disadvantage, not to mention that we didn't have the FS to compensate for it.

LOL

Ivan you are a toll, even the members that didn't land trade had more land than 90% of SoF even our all x had more land than your members, at the point the hostilities began only netting techers or (war/everything) have stock, everyone else is focused in getting LAND, because on equal land a techer beats the crap out of ANYTHING.

Second most of your countries had +140M bushels in stock, PDM had production because we had more land, but stock was out of the question, we managed to get a couple of billions of cash on hand, and the highest stock one of us had was around 40M bushels.

Anyways what where our options? sent half our membership for you to farm? like hell, PDM has always been there for their members (as far as I have been there), we won't side with them when they are in the wrong (god knows how many times I wanted to suicide on other clans when TAN told me to take it like a man when I got raped in retals) but we will go to war when one of us is wronged for no reason, PDM lives and dies for each member is what we are and we won't change.

SoF has made more LG hits than PDM this set? I can't believe that, you all had too much stock and fluff land (below 13k acres) for that to be true, and don't dismiss all the hits exchanged between RD and PDM because a fair amount of them were asshole hits, and I know because I did a couple of them myself.

Anyways, this is pointless chatter and the only thing that matters is that LaF is the top dog of this server (for the moment) everyone else is irrelevant, so stop trying to insult each other because no words can cover the truth, and that is LaF pwns.

:C

forever sad!!!

fluff!!!!

Cheap fluff?

Lol at land traders with stock

Only a hand full of PDM countries have stock (maybe 25, maybe 4 ;))

We where busy creating land and giving most away on retals :P

Again as long as the stupid concept of holy land exist, this won't end, Israel was created out of nothing because foreign nations wanted to, (politicians got money out of the deal), is only fair that Israel politicians should try to truthfully achieve a balanced relationship with their neighbours, however they don't do that.

And let's take the neighbours analogy further:

You live in a poor neighbourhood, you fight with your neighbours from time to time, but at the end of the day there is a nice park in with you meet and talk as friendly neighbours.

Then one day someone puts a wall around the park and starts to build a huge house, this house has a pool, a huge yard (that used to be the public park), everything that you wished to have and couldn't, this assholes not only took away the public park, they are also rubbing it in your face, so outraged you go to the city council.

The city council pretty much tells you, they are a family of rich assholes that wanted to live there because their family lived in that land some centuries ago, you start to argue that doesn't make sense until you notice all the members of the council have rolex in their hands and are wearing silk robes.

So now you know they simply bought the concil to give the PUBLIC park to them, something that is against the law...

Still bitter over the park thing, a couple of weeks go on and now you find one of your neighbours on the street in a house made of boxes, when you ask him what happened, he is clearcut, the rich people took his land to make a guest house and make their "property" bigger... Empathise the part when they took it, it wasn't bought, it wasn't legal, they just took it, because he was pissed at them for moving next door and was pretty vocal about it.

How the fluff are you supposed to feel after all that, are you supposed to like them? Everything they have done to this point is a clear fluff you all, with the subtext of "you are next".

Your analysis of the Jews being the black guys among whites in Virginia is wrong, this is not senseless racism, the middle Easter hate for Israel is the result of actions done by the Jews and the international community, not stupid nonsense like Black people being evil because they are different.

wait what?

Oats is accusing CrazyMatt of hacking?

oh boy now I really need to get his IP flagged

but trading is fun and you get to joke with people using the ingame country message instead of the standard:

Mgs:

Retal for your hit on me, now fluff you

end of message

anyways seems like we have a serial missile sucker loose on the server and Fire and Xaos (#567) seems like the prime culprit

no

missiles are based on luck and can't be bought or sold, so i say

2500 networth points per missile, so as reps they would be hardly over $675,000 per missile

but why are we talking about missiles?

the correct title is Tyrant as a president is elected, and certainly I wasn't

there's been plenty of chaos in this game, I am more related to Chaos Guardian than this ChaoS dude

yesterday when Ivan was asked why he cared so much about Netters when SoF never nets and he said you where netting this set

can I get his IP plz?

no wait I got a better idea

???

so I take Flamey isnt a flame (#549) is you Crazymatt

can I get your IP so I can distribute it to all the alliances and flag you as a known suicider?

you shall be Fatty 2

whut?

anyways I believe we are allowed to kill Flamey isnt a flame (#549) as not only he farmed 2 of our members for no reason, but he also dropped the land making it extremely hard to get the land back...

I see SoF is extremely pissed at PDM, but they have yet to be clear as of what is exactly the problem they have with us... anyways expect Pang to contact you guys regarding last set reps and this set blatant suicider, in the meantime Flamey isnt a flame (#549) needs to die, so I will start to save turns.

Diversion as some of them start the set and get enough power to suicide?

perfect chance when LCN, IMAG and SoL start to die

why would I hit a country that haves less land than me?

that is retarded

hit people with either the same or more land than you, is upon those with less land to hit those that have more not the other way around, if they are scared to do so, then why is it my problem? the problem is theirs not mine.

also i fail to see any target in sof that would be worth my time, and they are listed as friends, so I can't hit them.

also L:L void the term of topfeed, and 1:1 retals can easily be abused, ask me I am a tyrany

OMG

ok step by step

You are Country #3 in PDM (36k acres) targets are:

RD country #2 35K acres
EVo Country #4 25k Acres
Neo Country #1 19K acres

quick question with one would you hit?
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YEAH RD
they do their Retal and now you are

PDM Country #3 39K acres

Next day the target list looks like this


RD country #2 41K acres
EVo Country #4 27k Acres
Neo Country #1 21K acres


who are you going to hit?

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yeah RD!!!

but lets say you are #1

Neo Country #1 21K acres

and your targets are:

PDM Country #3 39K acres
RD country #2 41K acres
EVo Country #4 27k Acres


WHY THE fluff ARE YOU HITTING THE EXPLORE BOTTOM? WHY BE SCARED? THERE IS A COUNTRY WITH 41K ACRES THAT YOU CAN HIT, STOP BEING A fluff!!!

The grabbing pacts says you can take the fluffING INITIATIVE AND HIT IT SO fluffING HIT IT!!!

Easy enough for all of you

and again I am telling you to READ

If you where in RD and you had to hit a country that would give you 5000 acres and 3000 ghost and a country that would give you 1000 acres and 600 ghost, with one would you hit?

The problem is that Everyone else "Monsters/Sanct/Neo/Evo" seem to think that they will get raped a new one for "Topfeeding" one of PDM fat countries when in truth we don't believe such a thing exist.

If one of them decided to hit that super fat country in PDM who would be pissed? they are part of the list, so sure as hell they can, as long as they don't jump their break to silly amounts no one will complain, the problem is that they are scared of being called out for their "topfeed" when such a thing won't happen.

^^^^^ Read my post dang it

what can I say?

Honestly I do agree that there are a couple of countries that have been hitting each other for the past while, but I also think this is the result of no one else in the open list of the other clans hitting them, they aren't in a bubble, as far as I know each member can choose to be closed to ONE of the clans that we have grabbing pacts with.

Myself as an example:

I choose to close Evo, I don't want to hit them, and don't want them to hit me, is no secret that I dislike slagpit (omg don't come here), and getting farmed by them on my first set doesn't help me to like them, if they grabbed me and jumped defense to try to escape my retal, I would suicide on them with my Tyrany/techer and do as much damage as possible, that is why I choose to close that alliance and be protected by our 200% L:L clause if they dare to hit me; however I am fair game for everyone else and everyone else if fair game to me (besides Neo that ran away when I asked to be in their list as that is possible as well).

So yeah, maybe they are exchanging hits heavily with RD, but nothing is stopping Monsters/Neofed/Sanct/Evo from hitting them, as you can only close one of the other clans from hitting you not all of them.

I wonder why everyone insults RD, they play legit and get great finishes and people point at one of their inactives that let them farm him (and was dropped 2 weeks before set end) a grant total of 6000 acres, and we had KSF doing pretty fluffty stuff last set with one of their members feeding Oden alone more than 15K acres, and no one says a word about it.


Honestly if Buffalo Soldier (#146) Didn't deserve his 5 place because he got feed 3k acres, then sure as hell Oden (#348) didn't deserve to be in the top 10 if at all.

Community if you will troll people, troll them equally stop playing favorites.

He means RD

and clearly RD got Avg Net crown last set without land trading, so they aren't fluff, maybe not as good as Evo or LaF, but clearly their members have earned the right to be called the 3 best netting alliance pound for pound.

so KJ baseless insults just prove you are jelly

lol the DRing has nothing to do with Netting, Rival has been doing it for weeks, there is one country I have been trying to nail to my wall, and is always 7 hits into DR, so how does it feel?


anyways you guys started the DRing thing this set so you have no moral grounds to throw the first stone.

Lots of stupid rhetoric


A huge amount of countries can hit PDM fattest countries, and those that can't just need to ask their leaders to negotiate a grabbing pact that lets them bypass the normal terms of their alliance.

Is THAT EASY

Rage country #4 wants to hit a fat country in PDM, his FA contacts PDM and that country is added to the list of countries that can bypass the long standing pacts Rage has with PDM, that country hits PDM and gets huge acreage returns, as PDM doesn't define topfeeds because there is no reason to address them with C:C L:L clauses, the country that hit PDM for 5000 raw acres gets retaled until +4000 acres are taken back, and both sides get the added bonuses of ghost acres.

The only thing that would harm the relationship of Rage/PDM is if said Rage country bought a fluffton of defense to try to avoid the retal, an activity that often leads to conflict regardless of how it happened; so yeah server be a bunch of babies.

At first I was against Landtrading in FFA and I took it upon myself to hit them with my fluffty countries and after keeping the exchanges civil by not buying up to avoid the retals it wasn't long before my countries were as great as theirs, you people need a chill pill.

also PDM has the fairest and more lax Retal Policy of the server, people seem to always forget that when they have their outcries fits, PDM doesn't believe in Topfeeds, we don't define them as X, they simply don't exist, there are 3 Classes of Hits:

1. War related hits.
2. Land grabs.
3. Douche hits.


War releted hits: GS, BR, AB, Missiles, all hits targeted to destroy or cripple the defending country.

Land Grabs: SS, PS in with a country annexes a piece of land in hopes he will be capable of keeping a nice % of that land after the retal.

Douche hits: Putting yourself in DR to avoid Retals, Land Grabbing and jumping defense to avoid the retal, hitting countries much smaller than you and then crippling them so they don't have a fair shot to retal.

and why does everyone in there hates Israel?


let me put it like this

If everyone in your neighbor hates you, there is a very good chance that you AREN'T a good neighbor, is not that everyone else is a bad neighbor, is just you, you are the problem and you are the one that needs to either adapt and change or move the fluff out.


Now going by a nations point of view, if you can't play nice with your neighbors countries and AT least have half of them on friendly terms, then you deserve every bit of pain they give you, if by dropping Israel and allying the rest I get better economical terms and more economical stability then why not do it? I am sure Israel wouldn't be as foolishly daring, aggressive and ballsy if they where the ones getting sanctioned to oblivion for being overly aggressive, and Iran wouldn't even rush to get nuclear power because there wouldn't be a problem with Israel to begin with.

"In early November, 1966, Syria signed a mutual defense agreement with Egypt"

Seems like it was a coalition to deal with the aggressive assholes, with is what was done in this very server a few sets ago, I can't find fault in the actions of Syria or Egypt, they where getting ready to deal with an aggressive Israel, or at least that is what I seem to be reading.

-_-

really?

wait whut?

who where the aggressors in the 6 day war?

anyways what is to be gained from being allies of Israel?

depends on what you consider failing :)

you do know that Evo is also part of the "trading/grabbing" pact...



Anyways, for the lulz

I still don't understand why USA or anyone HAS to support Israel...

normally you support another country because you need something from it, or its existence has helped you at a point or the other, wtf does Israel provides?

Honestly I just don't understand why everyone has to protect Israel, is obvious they are the ones looking for a fight for decades, so why protect them? why fight for them? what is to be gained?

I just can't look at any moment in time in with Israel has been a good ally, they even attacked American Forces at one point...

I just don't understand...

Israel shouldn't have been there to begin with...

someone invent time travel and stop that from happening...

god it was easy to give them land in Europe to make the Jewish nation, but they had to be shortsighted and give them a piece of land owned by someone else, in the middle of a contested zone with they would obviously have to expand sooner rather than later.

Now we have to deal with this mess created by idiots.

Nothing worth humankind attention is made in the middle east, so I'll say we turn that place into a radioactive smoldering desert and be done with it, purification by fire we shall call it.

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we should Nuke the middle east and be done with this fluff

and yeah I would start with Israel/Jerusalem

No "Holy" City, no Holy war.

No "Holy" ground, No basis to war.

dude I want to hit them and I am in the same alliance as them (and allies with the rest)

thought luck :(

anyways who has 75K turrets? no one in my division has a break that low and I swear to god if they have, I will spank (LG) them myself.

also the fact that I can't hit SoF is annoying, maybe we should had let loose the new member that had 4M turrets and was ranked 4 weeks ago take a few liberties with the SoF tag when he complained about the lack of targets to hit (because all grabbing pacts where still closed), I bet Ivan would be fine with the commie/indy with the highest turret count in the game at that time hitting his tag, yeah he wouldn't had fluffed to us a single time.

without tag protection you won't get far,

Comunist/Indy heavy jetters for early/mid protection (2 of then)
Then Tyrany/Techers for mid/late set protection (2 or 4 of them)

That is the minimal requirements, and if you are a late start, then just forget it, you either join a alliance or get an alliance to lend you a couple of their retalers, you are the same as an alliance that lost a war and now is getting farmed by the winners.

Honestly join an alliance until next set