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Jun 8th 2010, 13:40:40

just looked at their site and couldnt see it there


im assuming people run 1:1 3:2 6:3 or farm/cripple:3 and 4:kill but not really sure, could be 4:2 these days

icq: 648 359 258

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Jun 8th 2010, 13:45:30

i was casher all set no tech phase, forgot to have enough food to run turns for about 800k more net

so im guessing all the good techers got suicided on or were on very low land with those tech prices

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Jun 8th 2010, 14:09:59

yeah sounds about right

not that i really would want to hit anyone 4 times though lol

anyway is retal window still 72 hours?

i might check with LaE leadership before doing more

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Jun 8th 2010, 14:28:34

thanks

i dont remember a joltgirl

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Jun 8th 2010, 14:37:40

id go with a then

anyway i think your in focus with azzkikr right? he knows its me

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Jun 8th 2010, 16:10:15

icq 649359258

so far dropped NOWEP a forum message and sent some icq messages to thunder

could also message me ingame if you want

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Jun 9th 2010, 13:34:25

hihi jiff

just to make it clear to everyone though im not starting something with lae/jiff as i was hit first

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Jun 9th 2010, 16:35:39

seems all good now, thanks LaE

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Jun 9th 2010, 18:11:23

i like the volume information broken down by hour

but generally i find it easier to use this:
http://eestats.com/ffa/market

to get an idea of what the max or min each sold for depending on my strat

in alliance its interisting seeing how much tech is sold early in the restet, was something like 20k bus res total last i checked


by default i prefer 1 hour increments to the 4 hours so its an extra keypress every time you want to use it gets a bit tedious, anyway to set preferences somewhere possibly?

Edited By: enshula on Jun 9th 2010, 18:12:54

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Jun 9th 2010, 18:15:10

rage got up over 500 countries at one point back when they had multiple sites i think

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Jun 9th 2010, 18:54:29

didnt mehul eventually put in ingame clan forums of some kind?

of course i remember them sucking like only showing the last 15 messages or something

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Jun 9th 2010, 19:52:09

colours in general would be good for the UI in alot of places

have fun with it, set countries in your alliance or on your account to another colour on the scores page, why not have a dec war target coloured on scores

if you want to put in ingame relations for pacts and war and farm/cripple and so on put them in colours as well

make a preference page for the account or for each server to disable those things if people want then everyones happy

from what i remember they show up green in the list if in protection so red if dead should be easy enough

go crazy, make it so if you click on a certain spot you can see the news of that country or read its messages, or just an indicator to mention if their is new news or new messages or new alliances for that country

include indicator of how many turns each country has, can do that on the main login page for other servers too

perhaps info on what each country has on the market, but a simpler way would be to make login bonuses related to the last time you took a turn rather than the last time you logged in, could have cpu cycle issues


that said i usually check my tag out before logging in, or login to all countries then play, most alliances should have ways for you to know which of your countries are dead but if its as low an impact change as a colour on the login page will reduce dependancy on third party tools

Edited By: enshula on Jun 9th 2010, 19:55:08

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Jun 9th 2010, 19:57:33

i remember sets where youd have to sell under 100 with an indy start to sell

it shouldnt go much lower than that due to unteched food base price though

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Jun 9th 2010, 20:05:58

people used to like to drop land a lot at the end of the set to increase tech levels

but with private market concerns it doesnt make a lot of sense especially since the public market is so thin in express

that said no real reason not to let people to it if they really want to

72/5 = 14.4

so round to 14 or 15 would make sense, or 12 for nice half day intervals, or less down to say 6 or 8 to be a lower percentage of the max turns of a reset inline with the longer servers

to be equivelant to tourney which i havnt seen people complain about it would only need to be 11 by the way

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Jun 9th 2010, 20:08:52

oh i figured this was how it always was and i just didnt notice at first, only been playing a little while

one of those obvious things thats just so simple and unobtrusive yet extremely useful

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Jun 9th 2010, 21:33:19

my memory is doing a landgrab with any country that you had self farmed in the previous 72 hours or self farmed while retals were owing was considered two stepping

sometimes people killed for it and sometimes people followed the land

i think i recall some clans said theyd kill both countries for a first offence and go to war over a second one

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Jun 9th 2010, 21:35:16

looks about as evenish as you can get these days i guess

as long as dynasty is prepped and had turns that is, less countries but an average net advantage

pity it wasnt a fs the other way

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Jun 9th 2010, 21:44:03

well i thought dynasty was planning for war this set so should have a shot

only the odd demo and no theos

while CTU seems to have more tyrannys and dicts half a dozen theos and no demos

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Jun 9th 2010, 21:46:00

did you come from TLV BP? i thought you were from the Pandora side

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Jun 9th 2010, 21:48:57

i just meant from your land sizes and government makeup it looked like a war set from you

although i guess this set those 18k commies could do well, probably still need to double sell for an indy to stockpile which is a bit of a hassle

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Jun 9th 2010, 21:51:04

actually i kind of remember a swede tag

and did tgh merge in with tlv as well?

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Jun 9th 2010, 21:53:51

yeah im probably going to spy some people at some point to find out how they are playing

interisted to see if the guy with all theos is running cashers and so on

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Jun 9th 2010, 23:06:57

ah that sounds right then became mad phoenix empire i think

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Jun 9th 2010, 23:51:51

to be honest netgaining in ffa is a matter of degree

at least these days people might stick to 16 countries but in the old days someone might run 100 countries sending FA to 1 country, or doing multiple end of set buyouts

from a perspective of making it easier for yourself

LaE, biggest, probably get the most hate, self farms
PANLV, medium, might have an issue with SoF this reset, self farms
Destiny, small, no self farming as far as i know, got first striked by CTU so at war this set

anyone else is very unlikely to netgain but they might choose to for a single set every now and then

so assuming SoF follows through on Pan it depends whether your more likely to have problems by yourself or get a bit of blowback if someone goes after LaE

i didnt really follow your news but the impression i got was you grabbed IMP a bit then they eventually killed 3 of your guys perhaps with an aggressive retal policy, so if your going to grab like that id suggest LaE

although id choose Pan if your not worried about the sof thing

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Jun 10th 2010, 18:21:31

that raises the question as to whether networth of dead countries is subtracted from clan totals immediately or after a certain period

it used to be possible to keep dead countries counting for TNW and so on by logging into them every day

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Jun 11th 2010, 4:32:25

topfeeding is grabbing with the intention of benefiting after a retal or multiple retals

that doesnt necesarily make topfeeding wrong or bad but just as no one likes to be unable to retal noone also likes to be able to retal yet know the person who grabbed them is happy and might want to do it again

thats just topfeeding compared to midfeeding and bottomfeeding, but you could also have landtrading where in theory both parties benefit or topfeeding designed more to hurt the target than help the aggressor

as to what alliances or lcn in particular do in case of topfeeds i have no idea

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Jun 11th 2010, 6:34:05

scode i just described the theory, whatever propoganda you want to put on it should be lumped in with phat tags arguments against rather than an argument over labels

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Jun 11th 2010, 20:07:17

it used to be in the game, maybe its deliberate

i remember if you made a long name the country numbers counted as letters so you had 25 - digits

and at one time you could have blank so just type space or something

there used to be thousands of unnamed countries

anyway does it really matter since you can see the numbers?

id try thinks like alt 255 and so on, spaces

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Jun 11th 2010, 22:58:07

alliances used to use

FOP full offensive pact, not very common and usually not owned up to
FAP full alliance pact, theoretically fop and fdp, but sometimes used as another higher level version of fdp to give an excuse for screwing an fdp
FDP+, similar to FAP without the offensive connotations

everything unap and above is usually considered unbreakable but of course it depends with who you are pacting

its bad for to war any defensive pacts or unaps but warring naps is fine

just by preference get into the war through an ally request rather than grabbing them or doing something like refusing to pay reps

never heard of CF as a pact, id consider the cease fire to be a temporary thing you do while at war on christmas day for example, or while discussing ending the war, but when on CF you should set the other tag to DNH

i believe its common to mark some groups as will retal or can retal so that your guys dont lose land to them

and also to mark groups you want to grab but will cause you risk of war or suiciding as dont farm or overgrab, sometimes no more than a doubletap, in alliance terms thats a max of 2 hits by any one country in your tag on that tag, or a max of 2 hits on any one country in that tag per 24 hours, also sometimes a more restrictive version is max of 2 hits per tag per 24 hours, could be called do not farm

im not really up on how ffa considers multiple grabs but in my mind if its obvious the same player grabs your tag multiple times per 24 hours then it qualifies for escalating retals

gets a bit murky depending on obvious strings, consecutive numbers, alliances, same strat, same name, time of play, one man tags and what not

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Jun 11th 2010, 23:03:33

yeah temp dnh is a common tool to prevent your farming turning into war/suicides

usually used as 72 hour temp dnh's to give feelings a chance to cool down

and of course everything is breakable, its just not supposed to be broken, so you have to consider the reputational damage of doing something underhanded

on the flip side i remember times where someone would try to have unap or above with some/all of their planned target for the next resets allys to make it so they cant get any help

if someone pacts you with the intent of screwing your friends it will make you consider whether you want to be pacted with them in the future

i know in 1a it was common to sign multi reset pacts too

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Jun 12th 2010, 3:50:12

why not do something like that in primary instead?

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Jun 12th 2010, 3:58:51

differant strat, and ive used all turns currently

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Jun 12th 2010, 22:01:05

the CTU country in express could be someone else since there is a country named CTU in LaE this set

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Jun 13th 2010, 1:46:54

in ffa i sort of think of it as what can i do with 16 countries combined

even with a comp like that in ffa theres no way to tell if someone hits their own countries, uses a spy country for ops, manipulates the market

the one positive in my opinion is it would make techer more sensible in ffa since you would have to have 0 allies that would but income by about 23%

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Jun 13th 2010, 19:04:40

theres a limit though since troops very rarely sell over 145ish

so at that point the resellers take over troop production when its profitable for them

think of it as a feature

indys make jets and turrets
resellers make troops and tanks

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Jun 14th 2010, 7:25:20

im not really following the situation but my impression was

a) you got two stepped by someone
b) you killed them or did something to 1 or 2 countries
c) all your countries got killed

and now it sounds like:

d) you made restarts and got two stepped again

thats pretty lame

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Jun 14th 2010, 7:26:49

as to two stepping, its silly, if you want to self farm just self farm, why bring someone elses land into the equation

although you can twostep retals if the break is too high or take too many turns or whatever

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Jun 14th 2010, 15:50:17

some screens i just cant see everything

basically i like to zoom in firefox to make things bigger

when i zoom sometimes i gain or lose additional info

at 100% i can see troops and jets in the new ffa login screens but when i zoom to my preferred size jets almost completely disapears, missile numbers on new status page, food and somet

im wondering whether there are additional columns as well for turrets tanks and perhaps others i dont even know about

also zooming means i cant see the bottom of the menu

so when i play zoomed i dont see the logout button for example

potential conflicts i havnt checked yet are the greasemonkey earth script

anyway it would be nice to be able to scroll and at least know all the data is there

think ive found the issue is with long country names

checked a single digit one and its fine, but one of my countries is as many w's as would fit so seems to be messing up the formatting

wwwwwwwwwwwwwww wwwwwwwwwwwwwwww (#2331)

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Jun 14th 2010, 15:50:38

ergh country name got auto linked

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Jun 14th 2010, 15:51:44

changing it would take away a strat

how does it add a new one? it just makes indy more versatile

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Jun 14th 2010, 19:17:49

no worries about the zooming thats my choice

as to the w's

when i originally made it i was wondering what would happen but i forgot then started having problems :)

would be nice if instead of the menu being cut off at the bottom it scrolled in some way, but youve obviously chose to make it not scroll so its always available

which i guess stylistically is good design it also makes it harder to cut and paste html, come to think of it maybe at swirve i needed to delete the top or bottom to make it format properly

aspect ratio stuff is a bit of a pain, wonder if that wouldnt be so much of an issue if i changed my res a bit, running 1920*1080 on this screen

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Jun 14th 2010, 19:29:27

well ive been gauging up the server a little

self tag:
positive - ego - if i cause problems its my own fault - wont get suicided on for things others do
negative - can be killed - have to do own fa - others egos - cant be too landphat

big tag:
positive - can run no defence like some of those 100k countries - 1 out of 20ish targets
negative - need to be active - need to login to some site - could pay for others mistakes - cant see my countries status as easily - might need to participate in kill runs


interistingly mainly due to the large amount of land trading the big tags do their average land is around the same as mine, some better last time i checked, which says they could compete with me in average net end of set, just i need to run higher now for deterence

playing just with you would probably be about halfway between the +'s and -'s of self tagged vs big tags

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Jun 14th 2010, 19:45:11

yeah i meant stretched 1600*1200 ish type of thing so i didnt want to zoom as much and could still use the menu

its just a joice between having to click on main menu to see the portal/backtomain option or be zoomed 1 step less than i prefer

runing only 4 bars across the top of the screen, normal program one, menu one, one for address bar, and tabs, with status bar at the bottom and an always up task bar at 1 increment, so that leaves ~75% of the screen

anyway if you can fix/workaround/warnmefordumbcountrynamechoice the left-right formatting that would be cool

the up-down menu thing is less important than whatever else cool your working on :)

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Jun 14th 2010, 19:51:52

i wonder how many people it would take to do better at total net without doing much worse at average net

TSE did ok i see in the history, 2nd in total net and 1st in average with 4.5 players worth of countries, see dynasty and rock did about the same thing too

i figure this set it would be possible for me to get 3rd in total net maybe since unless LaE got completely gang banged i couldnt pass them and if they did others would be higher

i probably cant pass asylum
dynasty i thought id pass when they warred ctu but now will have to wait and see
2 of three of imp pan focus could war and cancel eachother out

that leaves one of them who would have to either get involved in something else or lose to lae

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Jun 14th 2010, 19:52:51

as to tags, i did consider tagging FORT the other day, not that i was ever in fort

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Jun 14th 2010, 19:54:27

yeah i remember him tagging overlords

fort and might were other netting tags from back then

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Jun 14th 2010, 20:25:37

maybe there was another gosu? i thought that gosu was very very good from memory :P

i cant remember who potomac and roadkills other nicks were, i remember one was the spy in imp when homer fought them

as to netting im using spreadsheets a bit at the moment, not sure i have the best feel for things

and in 1a where i guess the most competition is im not all that confident, but part of that is the tech prices there

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Jun 14th 2010, 20:34:55

two stepping a kill target isnt really two stepping, its more recovering some of the cost of killing whoever

since usually if you kill someone you figure they owe you

its more like two stepping retals

LCN is farming then ABing iMag this set, if they for some reason wanted to hit themselves afterwards to move the land to another country no one would care if

a) it was just reducing their war effort a bit
b) the war was sill a real war and the netters in other places wernt getting jealous/grumpy

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Jun 14th 2010, 20:48:23

i dont know that i can be bothered pacting but i offer you a 1 way spy on you in a bit to see how good you are pact :p

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Jun 14th 2010, 20:53:16

im not sure if i want to or not, plan was to try and win average networth, maybe try raising the bar on it a bit

not sure it would be as good if i detagged at the end since any big tag can detag 10 countries and get pretty high