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You should pick an accusation Deerhunter. Often what happens in these scenarios people get blamed for any number of things that they did not in fact do. People are either playing politics or trying to be factual.

Since I don't have anything to do with the politics or really any care about it you won't have much success against me unless you switch to the factual side.

Pang is all politics, unfortunately he is lashing out and blaming others.

As Don of LaF all those years ago I had to rise to a higher standard because it was my responsibility. I did, and none of the accusations of cheating from that era that I've seen are valid.

I stand accused of cheating at the game, but lieing, stealing, robbing, haxing and pirating don't really seem to apply.

Remember, I personally have nothing to do with politics and have not for many many years. Whatever Hanlong may or may not have done, that was not me.

When did I get caught cheating the first time?

Remember, Arsenal accused me of having an RD account - not running countries there (of which if there were he would have been provided evidence of, so we can pretty safely conclude that there were not). He also accused me of botting MD. that also is not true. I know who botted MD. He does too. It just doesn't benefit him to speak the truth in that regard.

In fact a ton of stuff including major details in Arsenal's thread are just plain inaccurate. I haven't even begun the process of responding to that yet.

Nothing has actually changed yet. Technically the boxcarhosting.* domains are in a godaddy account that pang owns. Nothing has changed on the server but remote access has been cut to allay any security concerns I have given recent events.

Also, I've not admitted to anything. Still in many ways trying to figure out what happened. All my posts so far, mostly a combination of third party observer and knowledge of myself.

Boxcar had only still been up because of an arrangement that I'd had with qz and pang. Obviously they've broken that so I'm free to do what I will. I've talked with a few people and we are working on making a smooth transition though.

Twisted and complicated ;)

Looks like Pang got everything he needed off of boxcar before he posted so I'm free in that regard too.

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Good. No time to read it yet but I think I got the truth out of him.

Hostage? No. I locked down access. I imagine EE did too. Pang has no need for server or database access anyway. Before on ee and boxcar access was just kinda handed out. That's changed. Now there will be process. Dev through svn then deploy. He has a QA server setup for it already and has for ages.

I'm not sure if Pang is angry at me or not. It isn't valid for him to be and it is hard to tell where he is in recovery from screwing up the PDM FR job.

I WAS able to conclude that the agreements between ee dev and myself are basically terminated. I have no more responsibility to anyone and am free to make my own decisions.

This is the most reasonable thoughtful thread, which is of course why I'm posting here first. Apparently Highrock is one of the higher class alliance leaders, and it shows.

You had that country name before I came back.

Well what is true is that gamerstown, GHQ & earthstats did/actively do 'spy' on site content. Boxcar is actually the odd one out in that regard. We never had a way to clone user accounts or peak into sites. Trust me it was annoying because sites would report bugs and we would have to get them to make us accounts so we could see the problem.

Seeing MD come back so forcefully against me was weird because just a few months ago I'd done exactly the same to fix a bug for them.

Interesting post Drow. What I've been accused of here is basically souping up a single country in a war that was won before I did a single hit. Pretty low impact. Still took TNW even after they removed both countries (lol). Still, I've been removed from LaF and had that finish deleted which is all quite reasonable.

What will come out over time if people actually look into it (unlikely, because this is political not factual) is that most all of the information Hanlong got was completely legit. He didn't access any boxcar stuff, Pang confirmed this when he looked at the ssh logs and such. Yes, he had an account but it was well he had the MD logs and it was just used for a few days for a completely unrelated purpose. But Pang didn't post anything like that in his thread even though I clarified it for him earlier in email - because this is all just politics.

Anyway I hope that some sites will get off boxcar. I've locked it down pretty tight now. Pang will probably rage pretty hard, but this whole thing is Pang rage anyway - a fairly standard predictable thing that happens with him every few years.

Nothing really to defend Jinman.

They even deleted my restart lol. No one could ever think that country was cheating. I make a post here and it is deleted. It just shows how it really is political.

I mean, it's so bad that dev was trying to make changes to how ANW was calculated to try and give evo a easier shot at taking it.

On another thread Arsenal admitted (for the first time actually) how close he was with Lemon Chiffon. I posted how dirty Arsenal was at the time. He would like talk LC up to boting an alliance because LC really favored MD then Arsenal would 'talk him down' then go tell the other alliance that he'd stoped LC from boting them. I guess if you just post the truth and enough time passes people stop thinking it is controversial and quit avoiding it. MD getting RD DNHs LOL, his post will have to be dissected another time. So many inaccuracies + rage in it.

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already a bunch of people logged in.

Not sure what the remaining issue is. But it should be on in a couple hours.

Boxcar will be CSing in 4 hours or so. BE WARNED.