Voter fraud is illegal... and doesn't happen in significant numbers.

Voter suppression, on the other hand, is evident.

I'm no fan of Trump. I think he's pretty darn scary, actually, but.. on this issue I don't see what the problem is. We're suddenly worried about wasting millions of taxpayer dollars when the issue is the integrity of our elections? Where's this outrage about irresponsible spending when Team Blue is in power? Our Federal Government wastes BILLIONS of the dollars of it's subjects every year... no matter which team is currently at the helm.

The very fact that the left fights so hard against election integrity measures is enough to convince me that there probably really is an issue there. When idiots start talking about "racism" just because a state wants it's election officials to check ID???? Yeah, there's some fraud going on there.

So youre out of proper rebuttals.. just adhom deflections. I win!

Sinistril, what am i supposed to do about your president? Im canadian ffs. Virtue signalling... pfft. I watched band of brothers like 3 times. Killed the Wild Hunt twice...

What the hell am i supposed to do about it? I never claimed to be virtuous... but I will certainly ridicule the things that I think need to be ridiculed.

You must be a Teacher, think they are the only ones who still claim that. HINT: the rest of the world has come to reality that it is actually one of the most accurate sources available.

pretty sure youve had republicans leading the senate quite awhile now, its waaay overdue to redo the entire system so its just to get started :P

Which party would that be?

Which party would that be?

awesome leader? how do you know about his personality and "leading" qualities? you just know he's a chief executive at exxon mobil and is in bed deep with the Russians. Like... they just gotta lean over if they want to finger his butthole. are you kidding me with this?

all of a sudden yall are ok with Russian cronies?

awesome leader? how do you know about his personality and "leading" qualities? you just know he's a chief executive at exxon mobil and is in bed deep with the Russians. Like... they just gotta lean over if they want to finger his butthole. are you kidding me with this?

all of a sudden yall are ok with Russian cronies?

Rex Tillerson. Are you kidding?

Scott i dont really see the problem? here all parties overlook voting not to mention that theres registers with people who are allowed to vote so its just to cross them off once they voted

not really brain science... esp with todays technology :D

Trump said he was going to govern for the people. So far he's just sucking on the fat cat oil industry and gonna make his friends rich.

You figure it out einstein. I've seen your tantrums before when I caught you in a lie on these forums.

You, sir scotty, are a liar.

Perhaps you didn't notice, I cited many sources. You really think that's a gotcha?
You're really working hard at being pathetic.

Jackie ..Robinson? ..Chan? ..Onassis?

No clue dude, that's in your head not mine.

"I would have no problem with considering this if we had a system where we can prove identity and citizenship prior to voting. "

I dont see why you cant? we do it overhere and im sure a lot of other countries does as well

Sean Spicer makes it official: No voter fraud in Philadelphia, Milwaukee or Detroit
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...hia-milwaukee-or-detroit/

I am waiting for this to be answered...



Just because the old man copied and pasted a lot of words, doesn't mean anything of substance was written...

Scotty: You've been dangling from the hair on my ass for a year now. You have nothing of substance to say, ever.
Seriously, go fluff yourself.

I am waiting for this to be answered...



Just because the old man copied and pasted a lot of words, doesn't mean anything of substance was written...

Go fluff Yourself Asshole.

Um... you dont get to say that. You didnt provide a rebuttal for all the writing he did there so, in fact, we should be saying to your comment of "All I see is crying and butt hurt"...

Thats all? Nothing of substance?

I wonder if Rolling Stones story about voter fraud is as well researched as their work on college rape...

You are probably the same genius that believes asking someone for ID to vote somehow disproportionately affects the poor... yet they need an ID to collect local, state, and federal benefits.

Step away from the mirror then Scotty

To those that want to dig deeper and not retreat into childish name calling to cover their own deficiencies..

We have a problem in the White House. Just a few examples:

The Wall.
What a surprise. Mexico isn't going to voluntarily fund Trump's wall.
So it'll be the American taxpayer that initially pays for this boondoggle.

And what is the plan being floated on how to force the money from Mexico later?
Slap a 20% import tax on anything imported to the US from Mexico.
Genius.
So, it's American consumers and industries, purchasing imports from Mexico, that get to pay for the stupid wall a second time.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/article129037819.html
http://www.usatoday.com/...ould-hurt-texas/97120400/

The.Art.Of.The.Deal. What a joke. Championed by Trump as HIS book, he describes it as "one of the greatest books ever written" but it was not written by him. It's a book ghost-authored by Tony Schwartz with Trump's name plastered on the cover. Sound familiar?
--“The Art of the Deal” made America see Trump as a charmer with an unfailing knack for business. Tony Schwartz helped create that myth—and regrets it.
http://www.newyorker.com/...mps-ghostwriter-tells-all
--If he were writing “The Art of the Deal” today, Schwartz said, it would be a very different book with a very different title. Asked what he would call it, he answered, “The Sociopath.”

But no worries.
I'm sure Trump had us little people in mind when after winning the electoral vote he went out to meet some friends at a local burger joint (ha):
http://www.bbc.com/.../world-us-canada-38003747
I never have, and never will, pay $36 for a burger or $10 for a side of fries. But Trump's buddies at that (ha) burger joint do, likely while complaining about the taxes they pay back to a country that made their wealth possible.

According to the Tax Policy Center, the totality of the Trump plan will reduce federal tax revenue by $6.2 trillion over the next ten years. Of those tax cuts, nearly 47% will go to the richest 1%. To put it into dollar terms, those earning less than $48,400 will experience an annual tax cut of less than $400, while those earning in excess of $700,000 will walk away with an average of an extra $215,000 per year.
http://www.forbes.com/...ur-tax-bill/#176119944b8b

This is a President in way over his head being led by the gators of the swamp he promised to drain. It's not just Putin that considers him a useful fool.

How long until we see the return of sedition prosecutions?
https://www.nytimes.com/...non-trump-news-media.html

And now he's going to have a phone conversation with Putin this weekend. Will he be dignified, with coherent talking points? Who is briefing him for this call? Will he listen to good advice? Does he have what it takes to recognize good advice from bad?

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
The United States must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes
9:50 AM - 22 Dec 2016
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In an interview with MSNBC on the same day, he said: "Let it be an arms race. We will outmatch them at every pass and outlast them all."
Yup. Trump has lots of plans for your tax dollars.

Mikhail Gorbachev, who detailed his own efforts at denuclearisation during the dying days of the Cold War in the 1980s, issued a stark warning of a world where weapons of mass destruction were becoming cheaper and more readily available.
“Money is easily found for sophisticated weapons whose destructive power is comparable to that of the weapons of mass destruction; for submarines whose single salvo is capable of devastating half a continent; for missile defence systems that undermine strategic stability,” he wrote. "It all looks as if the world is preparing for war,"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/...ng-war-nuclear-threat-re/

I'm not crazy about the idea of a President Pence, but I would gladly accept it now that Trump is in the Oval Office. I would think it's becoming obvious even to some Trump voters that this President is not emotionally or mentally fit for his new job and we need to get him outta there.

I am hoping that VP Pence does his job and questions the stability of our President, and that the leaders of Congress do what the Electoral College was designed to do but failed to act on when they were the ones to actually vote for President & VP last December 19 - keep a nutcase out of the White House.
--As Alexander Hamilton writes in “The Federalist Papers,” the Constitution is designed to ensure “that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications.” The point of the Electoral College is to preserve “the sense of the people,” while at the same time ensuring that a president is chosen “by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice.”
http://www.factcheck.org/...or-the-electoral-college/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/...boss-as-a-clueless-child/

theres actually a huge voter fraud in the US, the one where 1 vote doesnt equal 1 vote trump and the republicans will never fix that tho because then they will stop winning elections

btw this is what election fraud looks like
http://www.rollingstone.com/...ar-against-voters-w435890
https://www.facingsouth.org/...oters-through-racial-bias

This is what my response to that would be if I could drink.....
https://youtu.be/_FYmmwDwNkY

Maybe a prelude to guessing his spirit animal

seems standard round here. U seemed surprised. Y do u think you set standards? Cause of your sjw spirit?

I'm not your civics teacher and I have no more time for you. Look it up fer crissakes.

Liar.

Scotty set the table prior, with this act of immaturity:



Because that's how he thinks you conduct a mature conversation

Do you really think it helps your talking point by calling me old and stupid and scared? This is only the bullfluff you toss out there every time we are on the same thread.

And no, election fraud and voter fraud are two completely different issues.

And how many more investigations will it take to convince a paranoid narcissist that they are wrong?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/...r-fraud-is-mostly-a-myth/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/...-found-virtually-nothing/

Jared Kushner, President Trump's son-in-law and one of his closest White House advisers, is registered to vote in both New Jersey and New York, while White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer is on the rolls both in Virginia and his home state of Rhode Island, according to elections officials and voting registration records.

Their dual registrations offer two more high-profile examples of how common it is for voters to be on the rolls in multiple states -- something Trump has claimed is evidence of voter fraud.

Along with Kushner and Spicer, The Washington Post has now identified five Trump family members or top administration appointees who were registered in two states during the fall election. The others are chief White House strategist Stephen K. Bannon; Tiffany Trump, the president's youngest daughter; and Treasury Secretary nominee Steven Mnuchin, as first reported by CNN.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/...ed-to-vote-in-two-states/

Again, being registered to vote in more than one state is not evidence of voter fraud.
Yet President Trump wants to spend millions of taxpayer money investigating this because he says it is.

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
I will be asking for a major investigation into VOTER FRAUD, including those registered to vote in two states, those who are illegal and....
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Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
even, those registered to vote who are dead (and many for a long time). Depending on results, we will strengthen up voting procedures!
5:13 AM - 25 Jan 2017

Citation?

Will yet another investigation put the conspiracy theory to rest? It seems none of the others have.

https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/voter-fraud

Usually for the President to initiate an investigation of this nature there needs to be evidence of the claim. "Probable cause" if you will. What would that be?

Only two of Trumps picks have been confirmed... so that would be a short conversation.

I want to talk about who he chose pre confirmation. Its much more interesting.

So now Trump wants to spend taxpayer money investigating a 'massive voter fraud' conspiracy that doesn't exist.
He cites a 2012 Pew Research study that was intended to provide ideas on how to clean up the voter registration system nationally.
One problem is that as people move from one state to another, they register to vote in their new home state but rarely close out their registration in their old state. It is not illegal to be registered in two states, and that is NOT voter fraud.
Another problem is that when dear old grandma passes away, the family rarely rushes to close out her voters registration.
Dead people on voting registration does NOT equal voting fraud.

And where is there any evidence of this gigantic conspiracy to gather all the records of double registration and dead people's names and addresses and then have an army of undocumented people come out BY THE MILLIONS to risk being caught casting illegal votes.

Trump cites the Pew Report of 2012, but either never really read it or is incapable of understanding it.
Here it is.
http://documents.latimes.com/la-pew-voter-registration/

Trump follows conspiracy theory media, and I suspect his understanding of this Pew Study comes not from reading the actual report, but from some CT whacko's false regurgitation of that study.

But he's President now, so $million$ of taxpayers dollars will be spent investigating this nonsense. His narcissistic personality disorder does not allow him to process the fact that nearly 3 million more people voted for Hillary than for him. He can't stand it, and won't let it go.

Are you done?

Im particularly interested in a Trump supporter's point of view on his executive orders. But if you want to digress to his picks for cabinet, that would be ok too.

Cyref set the tone with the kids table remark

So far cyref has been civil and well spoken on this thread... he even proofs his writing.

Scotty: You are incapable of having a civil discussion with me. You attack my permanent physical disability or my age every chance you get. Go fluff Yourself. That is all.

elvesrus:
There are numerous 'high crimes and misdemeanors' that could be used for introducing articles of impeachment, but I suspect that Congressional Republicans do not want to put the country through that wrenching process. Not with midterms on the horizon.
The 25th Amendment Article 4, although never invoked (but considered in Reagan's 2nd term when it was realized Alzheimer's was taking a toll) is a much less painless path for them to remove this emotionally unstable man from office.

Hmm... i dont know. Trump has no finesse as a person. I know some people want to call him a fascist dictator... but most dictators have some degree of charisma.

Did any of you see that Orwells 1984 is selling like crazy on Amazon right meow? Til theres a ban on that book anyways...

Keep it on topic please. I know its just a matter of time before people hurl personal attacks. That sort of technique doesnt present your case with credibility... it just undermines your opinion and only serves your id.

I do apologize for not sourcing Alex Jones for you Scotty.
Perhaps you would be more comfortable at the kids table.